Funky spot I got into in a 34.50.Basically the guy is pretty solid, not played him before but he has played quite well. The reason the hand played outlike this is purely due to gameflow. I had won the last few hands and felt that I was very likely to be shipped on hereif I were to make my standard min raise. Thus, allowing me to see the flop, I set out with the intention of limp calling.Obv flop isn't the best, but my trail of thought lead me to float the flop seeing as, much in the same way I felt he was 3b all inpre flop with a wide range, I also felt that he was going to making a standard raise PF to just because of gameflow and the facthe is trying to win a pot without being run over.So I float the flop. And then the turn brings in my flush draw. Given my thought process, I'm thinking here, that there is a chance I couldgenuinelly be ahead anyway anyway. I dunno... I mean, I just wondered what you make of my thought process here and what you do come the turn. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$33.00+$1.50 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBhardoxz1060 SBHero1940 Effective Stacks: 21bb Blinds 25/50 Pre-Flop (75, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero calls 25, hardoxz raises to 150, Hero calls 100 Flop (300, 2 players) hardoxz bets 225, Hero calls 225 Turn (750, 2 players) hardoxz goes all-in 685, Hero ???
IMO you need all your reads to make this decision. Not talking about your pre-flop decision you have to take into account what the results of this decision are.1. Did you already limp in this game, seldom or was it the first time? Means how is his read on your limps2. Did he previously attack your limps? If you limped a few times and he always checked behind chances are increased Ax are a great fraction of his rangeIf you didn't limp at all until now and you read him as a pretty solid player, that plays very well, he will assume yo have not Ax in your range very often. But is this player then also using this information going to put you all in this spot as a bluff?All depends how often, combined with your Flushdraw you have to have the goods at the and to make this a profitable call.Not really an answer to your question, and I am just playing the 10s. Just the stuff I thought about
Ye, I had already limped in the game, and yes sometimes he attacked, sometimes he didnt. But going on gameflow here, which is what I was doing when I set out with my plan for the hand, I don't think that really matters to much. I think this hand, and the reasoning behind it purely comes down to my judgement of the gameflow.
If you think he is going to be 3bet jamming light here then minr/calling is best play. If you think he is going to attack your limps a ton here then limp/jamming is also good. putting 1/7th of your stack in having no idea where you are at doesnt seem like a good idea because you end up calling a 3/4 pot cbet with K high when your drawing to runner runner a good % of the time.
Ye pum, for sure I see you're point and when I looked back on the hand I wondered to myself pretty much the same thing. I mean, if he is 3b shipping light, which I'm 99% he would have, maybe I woulda been best min raise/calling.I'm not a big fan of limp jamming here, because it doesn't succeed in too much, other than forcing his worse hands out, and if I do get called, I'm rarely going to be ahead. As it happened, he had Kc4c and I binked the spade river.
Even though you probably feel in hindsight that you should've minraised against this specific opponent, there are plenty of situations like this you could still get yourself into postflop (if he had small 3bet and was doing that with a fairly wide range, a call would make perfect sense and his postflop range would still be non premium weighted).In the end, you have to just be careful that their range isn't weighted too strong preflop, otherwise, with reckless aggression/bluffy opponents, a call is certainly good (even standard you might say) on the turn. If you're not seeing Ax or 5x here a lot, you're likely doing it right.
Thanks Ry.So im assuming that you think the way I played the hand start to finish makes sense given my thoughts. And ye, whilst I can't completely rule Ax or 5x out of his range here, because like I said, I was 99% confident he was going to 3b ship with pretty much any two cards, and raise my limp the same.I also assumed that seeing as he was a relatively strong player, he had no reason to bet the flop, afterall if I dont have an A or a 5, *(or possibly flush draw) then I'm folding and he doesnt wan't me folding when he has a solid hand at this stage given his stack size right?
It's quite possible he may not always bet the flop with Ax. That depends though, if he has a AK type hands he can get value from flush draws, weaker aces and sometimes Kx. But you're probably right, there's some chance he would've checked an ace or even bet smaller and of course the main point is that his aggression levels are extremely loose/wide.Yes, I do think you played the hand fine (though would've minraised given reads).
If it is a thin read..nothing wrong with folding...but aggro game/ % time he is attacking limps/ % cbetting oop/ how he has playing on paired boards/ his view of your % limping an A/ His % rr a 5 oop/ % times he is shoving vs rr an A from a limped pot....my god...the humanity!!:)
I don't really like the stack sizes for a float, i mean if he checks the turn to you you're only left with a ~PSB left most of the time. So do you try and take your SDV and check or do you shove turn on blanks etc It just seems a bit fancy. For me the board + stack sizes make it a bit of a bad spot to float.