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BA Baracus's picture
TP and gutshot facing aggressive thinking player's flop 3-bet

Playing a Home Game vs. an aggressive 2p2 thinking player.  Minraises wide and cbets nearly 100%.  Solid, but capable of making plays.  No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players1+0 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero2385  SBjustfoldFOLD1615  Effective Stacks: 40bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is BB justfoldFOLD raises to 80, Hero calls 40   Flop (160, 2 players)  Hero checks, justfoldFOLD bets 120, Hero raises to 280, justfoldFOLD raises to 600,Hero... 

supersize's picture
personally i would lead this

personally i would lead this flop instead of check/raise and would do this against passive player also. that way if we get raised we can call a much smaller bet and reevaluate turn.as played i probably fold, almost certainly behind and we still have a good stack.just my 2 cents. ;)

takeheronacruise's picture
I can't see folding her

I can't see folding her personally. TPGK + gutshot + backdoor FD for 40bb. I mean he can have plenty of worse hands and pair + draw type hands that would play this way. Maybe i'm missing something but this seems trivial.

RyPac13's picture
Your check raise size will

Your check raise size will also perhaps induce a rebluff from time to time.But the meat of this is that I believe Cruise is right here, we're just too invested here and have too much equity to actually fold.I do think it's a situation where you might feel you're in much better shape than you are.  This hand (TP 3rd kicker with a gutshot) is stronger against your opponents likely reraise range on the average board than it is on this board.It's also likely that your opponent is both raising preflop, cbetting and just sticking it in on the flop with Q2-QT, for lack of a better plan in some instances.

BA Baracus's picture
Some claification please...

Just so I'm sure...1) Do you prefer lead, c/call, or c/raise on flop?  My read is that Villain reps this board all the time.2)What is our plan on the Turn, River.... a) When draws brick???b) When board changes: (A, K, T, or 8)???c) When we improve with a J, but could give Villain the best hand??? 

RyPac13's picture
1) A lead does not even

1) A lead does not even factor into my thinking when villain is cbetting 100%.  I haven't done the exact calculations, but I can't imagine a near 100% cbetting range on this board can possibly play well enough against a QJ CR that a flop lead is more profitable (besides a player that for some reason spews vs donk bets more than in other areas, I've seen it but it's rare).I'll take a look at #2 tomorrow.  That's a lot of decisions to look at, and you really have to make some assumptions about your opponent before deciding what to do on some of the more dramatic turn cards.

thr0ne's picture
It will often be hard to get

It will often be hard to get several streets of value out of him anyway, so I like a larger size for value. A c/c lead accomplishes that; when you c/c flop you can lead turn for 240-280 chips into 400, whereas when you c/r flop to that size it's like a 160 bet into 400. I think his calling range is going to be pretty much the same in both cases; a c/c lead reps fewer bluffs than a c/r, whereas a c/r reps a stronger, wider value range than a c/c lead. I think that even if he's calling less often vs. a c/c lead than vs. a c/r, the larger size makes up for that.I'd probably c/c flop, lead 240-280 on any 8 or lower, c/c A/K with solid equity, and Q-9 would depend on other reads I've picked up, but in most cases I'd be more inclined to lead spades or hearts than diamonds.

Pchelkin R's picture
i would play it with a c/r

i would play it with a c/r and i would get money in at 11s and 23sdef not looking to reevaluate any turns

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