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keos's picture
Can't beat 1€ hypers HU

Hello guys i dont know why i cant beat Hu hypers 1 € i lose money, the rake is 8% is for this?

- How many Roi need for beat the 1 € hu?

- Its better make bankroll playing turbos where i am crushing and play a higher lvl of hypers? what lvl? 

- How i can calculate the winrate i need for beat  "X" hu hyper with "x" rake?

I have chadders hyper pack and i am following it well.

Thank you

mk2305's picture
sorry 8% rake is not nearly

sorry 8% rake is not beatable! anything higher than 3% rake is a ripoff if you play hyper hu because of the low roi (3-4%) you can achieve in them. i would switch the site or play turbo sngs where you can achieve a higher roi.

keos's picture
Sorry its not a 8% its a 5%,

Sorry its not a 8% its a 5%, but it still unbeatable no? ty for the answer bro

mk2305's picture
okay but 5% is still high. if

okay but 5% is still high. if you wanna play hypers i would switch to pokerstars and start with 3.50s level. rake is 2,8% and villians are really bad at this level. definately beatable if you are a thinking player!

pazzopoli's picture
hi mk, it is not true that a

hi mk,

it is not true that a 8% rake make the HU unbeatable,it depends on the level u are playing...for example if you play at micros(as me) the skill level of my opponent is embarassing, they really make free donations to my pokerstars account...

I play on PS.it where the rake is very high, i play mainly 2euros HU hyper with a 8 % rake , i win more than 58% of the HU, and i have a Roi of around 6%..

So high rake is not unbeatable, is harder than a lower rake...btw obv if you are not so good(as me....sorrry for the brag) u can not beat them..

mk2305's picture
whats your samplesize? sry

whats your samplesize? sry but 58% is an upswing on hypers...

pazzopoli's picture
hi mk maybe im GOD running a

hi mk maybe im GOD running a lot but i have played 2.5k HU this year...maybe my true winrate is not 58% but if i had 56% is still enough to beat them..

pazzopoli's picture
by the way keos: ​-ROI =

by the way keos:

​-ROI = Return Of Investiment, is the percentage of the buy in, that you win on average..so for example if you play 50 hu with 1$ buy in, and at the end you have won 20$ after playing 50 matches ,you on average have win 20$/50= 0,40$, so everey time you play an HU match, on average with this sample size, you win 0,40$ ok?????? so what is your return of investiment (roi)????? your investiment: 1$, your return : 0,40$....pretty easy to see that 0.40$ is the 40% of 1$... so you have a ROI of 40% at the HU 1$. so the answer of your question is : ANY ROI>0 IS GOOD BECAUSE MEANS THAT EVERY TIME YOU PAY A BUY IN YOU HAVE A RETURN OF INVESTIMENT >0.

- it s on you...

- you winrate to beat an HU match is : (buyin) / ( [buyin-rake] x 2). so for example: you play 1$ and pay 10% rake,effective in the prize pool there will go only 0,90$ and 0,10$ go to pokerstars ok???so the prizepoll will be your 0.90$ + your opponent 0.90$ = 1.80$. This means that if you win the HU you will earn (NET) 0.80$. So our winrate to beat this kind of HU match is : 1$ / (1.8$)= 1/1.8 = 0.55556 which in percentage is 55.55% ok???? So with this kind of HU format you will make money if your winrate is > of 55.55%........If you dont like this method to calculate winrate here is another one:                                                 

A= time we win the HU, 1-A = time we lose the HU. let s make an equation: the win rate you need to beat the HU format that i used in the previous example is : Ax($ we won when we won) - (1-A)x(money we lose when we loose) > 0 so with number Ax(0.80$) - (1-A)x(1$)>0 so 0.8A + 1A > 1 so 1.8A> 1 so A>1/1.8 so A> 55.55%..

 

 

 

SupBro...'s picture
So say for example you do

So say for example you do play on a site that has 5% rake - what ROI is realistic/acceptable/beat able???