Concerning ROFL theory, Im pretty sure it stands forRaise, Open shove, Fold, Limpand not Raise(call/fold), open fold, and limp.I may be wrong but Im about 95% confident on this one. Of course this is based on mers' theory, unless this is referenced from something else.
16:05you said something about open shoving your stack off range 7 or below because of the average population leak for the lower stakes: calling off too wide or flatting too wide oop...cant you clarify this? im not really sure what you mean here
^At lower stakes I found that you induce less vs the average population, and they are much happier flatting and playing fit or fold when extermely shallow. Although they are unprofitable flats vs your entire range, they may be profitable vs your exact hand, and in these spots you would be better off open shoving. So for example if you have a4, you would be much better off open shoving and getting a fold out of a hand like 78o for example (10bb deep) as opposed to minraising and your opponent flatting and you being in tought spots postflop.
Hi Chadders, just bought the series and I'm working my way through. Very impressed so far.I just wanted to clarify the point again that someone mentioned earlier. At 16:04, when talking about open-shoving when very shallow at small stakes, you said "...a good default strategy is to open shove your stack off range with cards 7 and below". Does this mean that IF you are intending to stack off anyway, whether you min-raise/call or open-shove, AND your hand contains a 7 or lower, then usually it's better to open shove because most opponents tend to flat too much and these 'big-little' hands don't play well postflop?I think that's what you meant but I just wanted to check. Thanks, really enjoying learning this stuff.
That is what I meant, but rthe effecitve stack size is still important, we don't want to be open shoving a hand like a7 at 20bb deep as we will waste some value, whereas 13bb deep it may be necessary against an opponent who will never 3bet bluff for example.
Thanks for the clarification.So does that mean if you're too deep to call a shove given your opponent's range (let's use your example of A7 at 13bb vs a villain with a tight 3bs range), there is probably more value in open-shoving it than min-raising and potentially seeing a flop in position? Is this because you'll have less than 3x the pot on the flop and the low kicker makes it tricky to play if you don't connect? Just trying to understand the reasoning. Thanks again.
Hi Chadders,About ROFL theory. You said that all the hands can be divided by 4 groups however it will be divided by 5 groups according the pic in the end of your video. Could you explain this point? And what range does fit the ROFL theory for?Thx.
Hey, I want to ask about openshoving suited conectors and semi conectors 12BB and less. What does it depend on?If our opponent is 3beting too wide but is pretty nitty in calling openshoves, than we openshoves these connectors, but if he calls openshoves with a normal, wider range and doesn't 3bet that wide, than it is more profitable to limp these hands? Thanks :)
If it is profitable to open shove a suited connector <=12bb is depending on the callers predicted range. With a suited connector like as 76s, your bread and butter is the fold equity. The wider your opponent calls, the worse the result usually is. "Usually" because it HIGHLY depends on the suited connector you are holding. An openshove with T9s 12bb deep is unexploitable. An openshove with 65s gets unprofitable once your opponent calls more than ~40% of the times.In order for a limp and stab to be more profitable then an openshove you need an opponent that either:- folds a lot to stabs- lets you draw for free AND pays you once you hit your draw
If opponent's limping range is wide at 8bb-16bb, what can we do?I'm playing stars at $7-$15, limp pot is more common in these stakes.How do we increase the openshove or ISOraise or postflop stab?
Chadders has the PokerStars rep meetings keeping him busy + grinding and working on the pack update, so I'll answer this one for you and if you need more of a response Chadders can take a look in a few weeks.- I would suggest raising/jamming more often (usually jamming at the lower end of the 8-16bb depth) vs a guy that limps wide. Most people respond by folding more buttons (good for you), and you can tone it down a bit then (they don't usually readjust, even if the game drags on). Those that keep limping will likely just be waiting for a strong hand to trap you with, and they can eventually do that, but they give up too many sbs in the process and you can profit that way.- Postflop, the first thing to do is factor in their hand range to each decision. They can now hit those low card dry boards with a higher frequency. Also, don't be as afraid of the higher card boards, limping a wide range means that your opponent can hit any flop, but it's going to make their range weaker overall and thus weaker on stronger boards. Be more willing to make plays at stronger boards vs this wide limping, more than you normally would vs a tighter limper (but given they have a wide range, maintain a balanced steal frequency, attacking more on boards where cards and suits are not so connected, rather than on high or low card type boards).- Otherwise, just adapt as usual to what you see. If the player is really tight, you're going to try to steal a lot. If the player is unbalanced in one area, exploit that as best you can.
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I was wondering why there are some hands with an under -0,5bb EV in the chart for openfold (T5o-, J4o-, etc..), isnt that a mistake? I mean, if you are openfolding, you just have a -0,5 bb/hand EV.
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Concerning ROFL theory, Im pretty sure it stands forRaise, Open shove, Fold, Limpand not Raise(call/fold), open fold, and limp.I may be wrong but Im about 95% confident on this one. Of course this is based on mers' theory, unless this is referenced from something else.
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16:05you said something about open shoving your stack off range 7 or below because of the average population leak for the lower stakes: calling off too wide or flatting too wide oop...cant you clarify this? im not really sure what you mean here
^At lower stakes I found that you induce less vs the average population, and they are much happier flatting and playing fit or fold when extermely shallow. Although they are unprofitable flats vs your entire range, they may be profitable vs your exact hand, and in these spots you would be better off open shoving. So for example if you have a4, you would be much better off open shoving and getting a fold out of a hand like 78o for example (10bb deep) as opposed to minraising and your opponent flatting and you being in tought spots postflop.
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Hi Chadders, just bought the series and I'm working my way through. Very impressed so far.I just wanted to clarify the point again that someone mentioned earlier. At 16:04, when talking about open-shoving when very shallow at small stakes, you said "...a good default strategy is to open shove your stack off range with cards 7 and below". Does this mean that IF you are intending to stack off anyway, whether you min-raise/call or open-shove, AND your hand contains a 7 or lower, then usually it's better to open shove because most opponents tend to flat too much and these 'big-little' hands don't play well postflop?I think that's what you meant but I just wanted to check. Thanks, really enjoying learning this stuff.
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That is what I meant, but rthe effecitve stack size is still important, we don't want to be open shoving a hand like a7 at 20bb deep as we will waste some value, whereas 13bb deep it may be necessary against an opponent who will never 3bet bluff for example.
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Thanks for the clarification.So does that mean if you're too deep to call a shove given your opponent's range (let's use your example of A7 at 13bb vs a villain with a tight 3bs range), there is probably more value in open-shoving it than min-raising and potentially seeing a flop in position? Is this because you'll have less than 3x the pot on the flop and the low kicker makes it tricky to play if you don't connect? Just trying to understand the reasoning. Thanks again.
Hi Chadders,About ROFL theory. You said that all the hands can be divided by 4 groups however it will be divided by 5 groups according the pic in the end of your video. Could you explain this point? And what range does fit the ROFL theory for?Thx.
Hey, I want to ask about openshoving suited conectors and semi conectors 12BB and less. What does it depend on?If our opponent is 3beting too wide but is pretty nitty in calling openshoves, than we openshoves these connectors, but if he calls openshoves with a normal, wider range and doesn't 3bet that wide, than it is more profitable to limp these hands? Thanks :)
If it is profitable to open shove a suited connector <=12bb is depending on the callers predicted range. With a suited connector like as 76s, your bread and butter is the fold equity. The wider your opponent calls, the worse the result usually is. "Usually" because it HIGHLY depends on the suited connector you are holding. An openshove with T9s 12bb deep is unexploitable. An openshove with 65s gets unprofitable once your opponent calls more than ~40% of the times.In order for a limp and stab to be more profitable then an openshove you need an opponent that either:- folds a lot to stabs- lets you draw for free AND pays you once you hit your draw
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If opponent's limping range is wide at 8bb-16bb, what can we do?I'm playing stars at $7-$15, limp pot is more common in these stakes.How do we increase the openshove or ISOraise or postflop stab?
Chadders has the PokerStars rep meetings keeping him busy + grinding and working on the pack update, so I'll answer this one for you and if you need more of a response Chadders can take a look in a few weeks.- I would suggest raising/jamming more often (usually jamming at the lower end of the 8-16bb depth) vs a guy that limps wide. Most people respond by folding more buttons (good for you), and you can tone it down a bit then (they don't usually readjust, even if the game drags on). Those that keep limping will likely just be waiting for a strong hand to trap you with, and they can eventually do that, but they give up too many sbs in the process and you can profit that way.- Postflop, the first thing to do is factor in their hand range to each decision. They can now hit those low card dry boards with a higher frequency. Also, don't be as afraid of the higher card boards, limping a wide range means that your opponent can hit any flop, but it's going to make their range weaker overall and thus weaker on stronger boards. Be more willing to make plays at stronger boards vs this wide limping, more than you normally would vs a tighter limper (but given they have a wide range, maintain a balanced steal frequency, attacking more on boards where cards and suits are not so connected, rather than on high or low card type boards).- Otherwise, just adapt as usual to what you see. If the player is really tight, you're going to try to steal a lot. If the player is unbalanced in one area, exploit that as best you can.
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I was wondering why there are some hands with an under -0,5bb EV in the chart for openfold (T5o-, J4o-, etc..), isnt that a mistake? I mean, if you are openfolding, you just have a -0,5 bb/hand EV.
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