So fairly often when I'm playing a TP opponent I will watch him just absolutely melt away. I've been min raising every hand since 25/50 and get him down to just a few BBs at the high blinds. When he finally goes all-in he doubles up. The next hand or shortly after, he doubles again. Now we are even stacks, maybe he's even taken the lead, and because it took so long to chip away at this guy the blinds are huge and it's shove/fold for both of us. So basically I've gone from having a huge edge on a guy who seems like the easiest opponent in the world to being in coin flip land. How do we deal?
Here are some abridged HH's from a 4-man tonight to further illustrate what I'm talking about:
Seat 1: agentorange5 (1180 in chips)
Seat 2: DntCaltACmBk (4820 in chips) <--- Had lead the entire game
DntCaltACmBk: posts small blind 100
agentorange5: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DntCaltACmBk [Kc Jd]
DntCaltACmBk: raises 200 to 400
agentorange5: raises 780 to 1180 and is all-in
DntCaltACmBk: calls 780
*** FLOP *** [3d 5s 5h]
*** TURN *** [3d 5s 5h] [Td]
*** RIVER *** [3d 5s 5h Td] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
agentorange5: shows [Tc Qs] (two pair, Tens and Fives)
DntCaltACmBk: shows [Kc Jd] (two pair, Fives and Threes)
agentorange5 collected 2360 from pot
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Seat 1: agentorange5 (2060 in chips)
Seat 2: DntCaltACmBk (3940 in chips)
agentorange5: posts small blind 100
DntCaltACmBk: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DntCaltACmBk [Ks Td]
agentorange5: raises 1860 to 2060 and is all-in
DntCaltACmBk: calls 1860
*** FLOP *** [8c 3c 3s]
*** TURN *** [8c 3c 3s] [5s]
*** RIVER *** [8c 3c 3s 5s] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DntCaltACmBk: shows [Ks Td] (a pair of Threes)
agentorange5: shows [8h Qd] (two pair, Eights and Threes)
agentorange5 collected 4120 from pot
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Seat 1: agentorange5 (1840 in chips)
Seat 2: DntCaltACmBk (4160 in chips) <--- After being left with just under 20BBs I doubled up
DntCaltACmBk: posts small blind 100
agentorange5: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DntCaltACmBk [Ts As]
DntCaltACmBk: raises 3960 to 4160 and is all-in
agentorange5: calls 1640 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (2320) returned to DntCaltACmBk
*** FLOP *** [4s 5s Qd]
*** TURN *** [4s 5s Qd] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [4s 5s Qd 9d] [5d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
agentorange5: shows [Kd 3d] (a flush, King high)
DntCaltACmBk: shows [Ts As] (a pair of Fives)
agentorange5 collected 3680 from pot
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Seat 1: agentorange5 (1820 in chips)
Seat 2: DntCaltACmBk (4180 in chips) <---- Recovered once more
DntCaltACmBk: posts small blind 150
agentorange5: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DntCaltACmBk [6s Jh]
DntCaltACmBk: raises 3880 to 4180 and is all-in
agentorange5: calls 1520 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (2360) returned to DntCaltACmBk
*** FLOP *** [7c 5c 8s]
*** TURN *** [7c 5c 8s] [Tc]
*** RIVER *** [7c 5c 8s Tc] [Td]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
agentorange5: shows [9h 6h] (a straight, Six to Ten)
DntCaltACmBk: shows [6s Jh] (a pair of Tens)
agentorange5 collected 3640 from pot
So you get the idea, it's bingo - and it's a tough break because this guy was just giving his blinds away the entire game. And just by the nature of this type of opponent it takes a while to chip away at him so the blinds very often do get this high as the opponent clings for life. For what it's worth I ended up winning the match above, but that's certainly not always the case.
I get these too, just a few notes in general, you should have SAGE open http://www.cardplayer.com/magazine/article/15250
Hand 1:
You should be shoving with effective stacks of less than 6BB you ought to shove KJ for the fold equity, but then villain should call too!
Hand 4:
You are right to shove and he is "wrong" to call mathematically. Overtime you make money.
Nothing wrong much with your play in these particular hands, but you may find you are giving him too much respect in the other hands you aren't getting doubled up on?
I havent moved to Nash yet, but that may help with some of the other hands at >8BB
A lot of the low stakes players I seem to be coming across are playing loose-passive styles.
They seem to limp a lot of their buttons and call a lot of your raises, almost as though they have to see every flop, maybe hoping to out play you on the post flop. But often their game then consists of pot sized raises post flop or shut downs, with the odd check raise when they hit big, or calling your 1/2 pot raises to the turn.
I expect they are trying to play LAG but haven't worked out the Aggro bit
i think on low stakes they r not even LAG TAG or anything ...they r just retards.... trust me nothing rational... they hope and sometimes they hit... the difficulty is sometimes there is one player who know how to play ...and u forget to play the right way with someone playin ok.
just my thoughts...
I agree with cymon. Loose-Passive seems to be the style of choice for most of the low stakes guys.
I have started finding this too?
I have tried using NASH but it seems as they are only playing premium hands then I get busted way too often?
For example I will have the player down to <13 BB and I will be pushing decent hands and he folds say half a dozen NASH will say push with J4s and and I get called with Ax/Kx/Qx.
Any advice from people? Should we be raising say 3x instead, would this be enough too fold players who are tight?