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bullterrier81's picture
way too many paired flops on full tilt with hu sng's

Has anyone ever noticed the ridiculous high amount of paired flops on full tilt when playing heads up sit 'n gos? I think it's just unreal, no other site has that many paired flops. I think if some researsch is done (on hu sng only), you'll be amazingly shocked how far off full tilt is from the statistical average. I wonder what everyone's thoughts are about this subject.

bullterrier81's picture
paired boards

By the way, I constantly hear cog dissonance saying in his videos: "and we have another paired board". LOL. He's probably used to it, but to me it's far from real.

mangansie's picture
I think if you're looking

I think if you're looking out for anything in particular, e.g. paired boards then you will mentally imagine it happens more than if you weren't taking any notice.

This is true for almost everything, not just poker.. I was convinced once that I was seeing the time 12:34 a strangely high number of times when I looked at my watch. Then I realised that I often look at my watch when I'm hungry and it's lunch time :)

No mystery there I'm afraid :)

palinca's picture
if this is serious

I don't think that you are meant for poker

bullterrier81's picture
@ palinca

@ palinca. Just contribute to the discussion instead of talking crap, i think you're not meant to be on the forum then. I was just seriously shocked with the amount of paired flops on full tilt, might be coincidence of course. I've just never seen it on stars, where i make a decent profit by the way. Mangansie might be right that certain things seem to occur more when you're looking out for it.

Marzipannase's picture
I like them

I like paired flops.
Unfortunately I play at stars.

Marzipannase

RyPac13's picture
You need to be able to

You need to be able to analyze these occurances statistically, otherwise everybody in the game would think the game is rigged against them.

The 2p2 stats and probability forum is a good place to get started.  I believe there have been many guys with huge samples that have checked the frequency of the RNG and so far there has not been any compelling evidence to suggest anything but "randomness" is going on.

Still, it's always good to have people checking this stuff.  If something is wrong, it's likely these guys that see it first.

bullterrier81's picture
Ok, ty RyPac! I will check

Ok, ty RyPac! I will check that forum out for sure.

palinca's picture
I didn't mean to be

an a**hole. Statements like these just tilt me a little bit because they show a lack of understanding of statistics, and a lack of objective rational thinking that is important for success as a poker player, that's what I meant. 
I did notice that flush draws missed much more often on FTP though, but my opponents always hit their gutshots.

RyPac13's picture
http://forumserver.twoplustwo

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25/probability/

There's the 2p2 probability forum.

xSCWx's picture
I used to always look at my

I used to always look at my watch at 4:20 by coincidence, but it hasn't happened to me in a long time. Probably because I don't wear watches anymore.

AQs's picture
did you ever  hear about

did you ever  hear about selective memory? 1 fop in 5 is paired and each time it comes u thinks a little bit,that's all

 

Saulius's picture
randomness comes...

...in clusters. Although the events are evenly distributed over the long term, they still come in clusters and if we experience thern, the systems seems "rigged" but it is not rigged, you just have to wait for a dozen of thousands of more flop samples and things will get back on track, I promise. I have been playing on Mansion poker, back in the days. There were notably a few tourneys, that an Ace would hit a flop like 9 out of 10  flops and we at the table just were making lots of fun about it. Almost 1/3 of those flops would see 2 aces on... that lasted for like 1,5 hours and I'm sure it was just a sample cluster.

 I was myself many times under the impression that I'm being cheated and my aces get cracked much more often than I crack them myself. I though my aces get cracked like 40% of the time and I only suckout on AA like 3-5% of the time. I started cololecting the samples and sure enough, after several months I found out we are almost equal in this, me vs my oponents. I am sure, a couple more hundreds of samples and this would have gotten even closer.

  Like someone said, don't worry, It cannot be rigged. There is alot of smart people out there playing online for a living. They would be able to prove it with many samples from many people combined if necessary, if there was anything to be proven. Same way the Absolute poker scandal of cheating. People took the innitiative and proved it.

 god luck at the tables. And yes, playing poker, can be on long sick ride...