Hi, this was the 8th hand in a 20$ reg. on FTP (so no particular reads):
Seat 1: Hero (1,500)
Seat 2: Villain (1,500)
Hero posts the small blind of 10
Villain posts the big blind of 20
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qh Qd]
Hero raises to 40
Villain calls 20
*** FLOP *** [3c 6h 2d] Pot (80)
Villain checks
Hero bets 80
Villain calls 80
*** TURN *** [3c 6h 2d] [Jd] Pot (240)
Villain checks
Hero bets 240
Villain raises to 1,380, and is all in
Hero calls 1,140, and is all in
Villain shows [X X]
Hero shows [Qh Qd]
*** RIVER *** [3c 6h 2d Jd] [5s]
I was a little bit scared about his shove because i could not belief that he will do this with a J only.
My first thought was that he called the flop with TP and improved to 2 pair on the turn. However, i convinced myself to a call because he maybe could have also something like [6d Xd], or a gutshot + FD. The pot was 1860 and i had to call 1140, thus getting 1.63:1.
How do you play this hand?
thx
Etsch
Not a big fan of potting the turn with such a strong hand...but there's so many worse hands in his range (FDs, straight draws, Jx).
You can't fold to that shove imo.
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Well if we're folding TPTK to his shove, we'll probably have to fold the smallest overpair as well, but I'm almost always calling this ingame. IMO this is a spot where you can pull up Sharkscope and actually deduct useful facts from it
If you are going to be trying to be smashing pot on each street with this hand then you need to be raising bigger preflop. As it is, he is calling 20 chips to see a flop where he will likely stack you any time he hits two pair or better.
I think that you should either:
a) Open to 60
or
b) Use bets that are 60-70% of the pot on each street postflop to give yourself room to fold at some point in the hand
I agree with checking SS.
a winning player is never shoving there at the $20 level with less then 2 pairs.
As well it is too early on the game to pull this kind of moves.
I understand why you can talk yourself into calling here, but i am pretty sure villain has 2 better or better.
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I have to agree with xSCWx here if you are going to play smallball pre then it needs to remain small ball post. I see a lot of players either limping or min raising pre-flop then trying to overcompensate post-flop with their strong hands by using pot size bets or overbets, which makes their hands easy to read and is very exploitable.
Thx for the replies.
I agree that a good player will not shove one pair only, that deep in blinds. At 50/100 he might shove a strong J at this point, but here i am almost ever beat. So not potting the turn would have saved me some chips and maybe my stack. I think i was in a rush because i player some guys before which shove even worse.
And obviously he had J 6 ;)
Etsch
Well, I don't really agree with the "good player" part of this that much.
I mean, his line really doesn't make any sense at all. I mean, there aren't really any draws if you assume a decent pre-flop defending range from a good player (even against a minraise). He just won't connect with this board too often.
And then, your line also doesn't make much sense - why would you pot the turn here ? This really looks more like a bluff than value to me, so why would he risk forcing you out of the hand if he really turned two pair here. Wouldn't he be more inclined to c/c and allow you to fire again on the river ?
A fish, on the other hand, can call a minraise with almost any two cards pre - and check/calling when he has any piece of the board and then betting big when he improved to two pair, that's exactly how a fish plays.
A fish calls in the hope of hitting his miracle card and then stacking you when he hit it - he's not intelligent enough to know how to get most value of it it, though - so he'll usually play it very transparently and just bet out huge when he got it.
I just don't see a fish take this line as a bluff, ever. IMO the best you can hope for here is that he has J4 or J5 - where he called the flop with a gutshot and now improved to top pair.