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SithJarr's picture
HU20$ (Normal Speed) - QQ and low flop - fold or allin?

I was close to fold... I would like to know which decision is correct?

Table: Table #1 [15981270] (NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM 10/20, TC)
User: SithJarr1
Button: seat 7
Players in round: 2
Seat 4: furnas20 (1570)
Seat 7: SithJarr1 (1430)
SithJarr1 posts small blind (10)
furnas20 posts big blind (20)
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Dealing pocket cards
Dealing to SithJarr1: [Qd, Qs]
SithJarr1 raises 40 to 50
furnas20 raises 105 to 125
SithJarr1 calls 75
--- Dealing flop [9c, Ts, 2c]
furnas20 checks
SithJarr1 bets 250
furnas20 raises 500 to 500
SithJarr1 raises 1055 to 1305 [all in]
furnas20 calls 805
--- Dealing flop [9c, Ts, 2c]
--- Dealing turn [7s]
--- Dealing river [9h]
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Summary:
Main pot: 2860 won by furnas20 (2860)
Seat 4: furnas20 (3000), net: +1430, [Ac, As] (TWO_PAIR ACE, NINE)
Seat 7: SithJarr1 (0), net: -1430, [Qd, Qs] (TWO_PAIR QUEEN, NINE)
***** End of hand T5-15981270-29 *****

Malifous's picture
no

no

mrspiky's picture
unless I know villain pretty

unless I know villain pretty well I just shove pre.

I think it's just a cooler.

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Radeh's picture
Cooler, can't get away from

Cooler, can't get away from QQ here imo. I mean, what kind of flops are you waiting for to get it in with queens? ;)
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jacksalive's picture
Definitely dont ever fold in

Definitely dont ever fold in this spot against an unknown, if you have prior history with this player and you think he is only raising with two pair or better then you can consider a fold.

Also your three bet preflop is a little on small side you are giving him to good implied odds, I would be making a raise here to 150- 170.

jackoneill's picture
@jacksalive: villain is the

@jacksalive: villain is the one who 3bets here ;-)

With Jacks or Queens, I'd never flat this 3bet here - I simply don't want to see any overcard on the flop.  I'd flat with Aces or Kings, but always 4bet this with TT-QQ to get it in.  You don't have to 4bet-shove here (though it won't be wrong to do so), doing to it somewhere around 500-700 would be fully enough.

Post-flop (if I had AA/KK here), there's absolutely no need to pot this.  After he 3bets and checks to you, you could even underbet this to about 20-30% pot-size on a flop like this to induce action from him - it's very unlikely that he's 3betting you with T8, so you don't have to be worried about any draws here, so if you have Aces or Kings here, there aren't really that many turn cards you need to be worried about.

If you pot this on such a dry flop, you're basically folding out all weaker hands, and also make it very difficult for him to bluff you if he missed the flop completely.

I'd just bet 100 here, flat any check/raise and reevaluate at the turn - with pocket Aces or pocket Kings I must say, not with Queens.

Running into Aces with a hand as strong as QQ is just bad luck.


jacksalive's picture
@jacksalive: villain is the

@jacksalive: villain is the one who 3bets here ;-) DOH my bad i missed that one

In which case I am stacking off here all day long 4bet pre get it in, shrug your shoulders and forget about it.

I would take a note of this villains 3bet bet size in this spot though, if he is always three betting to this size then this information is irrelevant but could turn out he is betting a little smaller than normal because he wants the call and this information could prove very valuable for future hands.