Hi
So ive read a load on end game strat including Spamz0rs excellent post on 2+2 and i believe my use of push fold/call is fine/okish but one thing puzzles me, i find on occasion that when down to say 6 - 12bb deep i have a little bit of a dry spell in terms of the cards that come and by virtue of the fact that im folding out hands that i dont shuv to avoid deviating from the equilibrium his stack quickly comes back up to a level that enables him to play limp or min raise again.
At what point do you deviate away from the strategy once villain stack size recovers and start incorporating limps/min raises in at the high blinds when you could be maybe 10 - 15 plus BB deep but a min raise creates a big pot with what could only be a mediocre holding once the blinds are so big e.g. 50/100 or the level before. I believe that moving away creates the possibility that the equilibrium is no longer unexploitable although this doesnt mean that the equilibrium is the most +ev for any given opponent.
Obv this doesnt happen every time but its an area of the game i find a tad puzzling.
Any thoughts?
cheers
Oli
Ps reading he 2+2 post again to make sure i havent missed anything there.
Can you post the link Spamz0rs post on the subject please?
-Thanks
I play NASH at around 11-12BB & under only when villain is above these limits do I deviate. at 50/100 you have to be around level stacks not to play this strategy, DUCY?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/58/heads-up-nl/finishing-opponent-heads-up-sage-nash-chubukov-560408/
Yep @ 50/100 you are at best 15bb deep.
What about when the villain is limping and you are OOP how do you apply the strat then, i guess this is somewhat villain dependent i.e. a one off limp could be a trap or if he is doing it often probably just trying to see a cheap flop with something that looks pretty but he doesnt want to shuv with or simply doesnt know about nash etc. do you play the same chart from oop with a limped pot or add a few points on?
Personally I only use the chart from the button, when I'm OOP I adapt like you say, it's situation dependant.
@olionion:
If he's limping all his buttons, then you could shove the same range (or almost the same range) since sb and bb will basically become the same.
However, as you already wrote, a single limp could easily be a trap - and imo you need to see a lot more hands before you can reasonably assume that he's limping very wide.
The real problem here is that Nash only gives us a strategy when we're on the button and it fails completely when we're in the bb and our opponent doesn't play shove/fold.
It comes even worse - every time he does some very weird thing, we have no idea what he's doing it with and can only guess how to react.
the open push part of nash assumes that villain hasnt seen his cards. When the SB open limps it changes the equation
Joe
thanks for all your responses folks, general consensus seems to be that it is villain dependent. What do you think is the lowest value hands where at say 10bb shuving into an open limper shouldnt be a mistake, assuming we are doing it for value and not a bluff, even hands like T9 have decent equity against a top 50% limping range?