No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$6 + $0.25 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1875 BBordnryguy1125 Effective Stacks: 38bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, ordnryguy calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) ordnryguy checks, Hero bets 90, ordnryguy calls 90 Turn (300, 2 players) ordnryguy checks, Hero bets 255, ordnryguy raises to 510, Hero raises to 765, ordnryguy goes all-in 975, Hero calls 210 River (2250, 2 players, 1 all-in) Final Pot: 2250 Hero shows three of a kind, Jacks ordnryguy shows two pair, Aces and Jacks Hero wins 2250 ( won +1125 ) ordnryguy lost -1125 I don't like my line on the turn. Even with ten outs. Second game with this guy who is a fish on SjarkScope. And I broke him last game when he called my open raise with 57 os and check raised flop AQ7 (I had ATo). SO:1) Should I have bet turn?2) Should I have gone allin? 3) Given previous game should I have called him if he checkraised me allin on flop? I think I was too deep. 4) What do you guys think about his line with aces? I have been seeing a lot of this kind of stuff. Same session I or with 88 got rr and called. He didn't cb and I turned set. He went broke. Joy. Happiness.
I think his raise of 510 on the turn should raise alarm bells in your mind. It's a pot building bet (though not a good one, since it's so transparent and should be a little larger) that is designed to suck you into the pot. You mention that he's a fish, but I think you can find a better spot. Additionally, the fact that he's a fish increases the probability that he stuck around with garbage, and should make you concerned that your top pair is not any good on the turn. Add to that the fact that you can't possibly just call and peel a card, and I think this is a clear fold. Maybe a little conservative, but if he is really a fish, you might as well protect your stack and live to see another hand. If he check raises you all in, you have to pitch. Most players will only commit a lot of chips in this spot if they think they are way ahead and want to end the match right away. You're definitely too deep, and you're beating very few hands that you're calling unless his play is very very bad. I think his line with aces is pretty bad. Limping on the flop is questionable, but in many ways a function of the dynamic between you and him. I think he should either be raising the flop to define your hand or flat calling the turn. Though this gives you a cheaper opportunity to improve, he can pot control. If he raises you on the turn and you shove over his small raise, you're usually way ahead of him (though here that was not the case).
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no offence jeff but i think you err on the side of caution way too much - especially heads up. i agree a 4bet probably isn't a good idea, but there i don't think i am ever folding to a checkraise shove here ever against this guy. against his aces you still have about 40% equity, but against his whole shoving range we ahead most times.and i think your 2nd post is pretty horrible, preflop and flop play were completely standard. i think we miss way too much value by limping this hand in position.
I agree with your first comment - I missed the fact that he had a club draw, which obviously improves the value of the hand. I would go all the way with this, especially given the amount of chips we have committed. Some people would go all the way without the club draw, which I understand.With respect to your second comment, I'll try to get better. Appreciate your feedback. : )
This all comes down to how many times he's C/R you on the turn, against a player who doesn't do this a lot, and this player may be among them, it's a clear fold here. The player would have to be super loose to want to 3 bet here, if you do it you should just shove here and not just bump it up a little here. With no reads or stats there's usually no right answer to any of these hand problems, so much depends on the other player, without knowing anything your top pair weak kicker isn't usually any good here.
Kingcobra - how is this ever a fold? You have top pair, gutshot and flush draw and you want to fold against a player who has checkraised bottom pair on a board that smacks our range in a previous hand?I don't think I am ever folding in this spot ever. Unless I'm very very mistaken, folding here is just setting money on fire.
Preflop and flop are standard imo. The min check-raise on the turn sucks but I'm jamming every time.We've go 17 outs- that's 1.7/1 so we're going to hit our hand 37% of the time. After villain puts in that min c/r on the turn, the pot is 1065 and it's 255 to call, the pot is laying us 4.7/1, so we only need to hit our hand 17% of the time to make the call correct. But the effective stacks are 465. If we shove we're committing a further 465 to take down 2250 when he calls. That's 4.8/1. Again, we only need to hit ~17% of the time. And we've also got fold equity the times villain is a donk and lays it down.Unless I'm screwing up the maths, a fold here is horrible. It's a snap shove every time ainec.
OK well I was just speaking in general terms, to be honest I didn't really look at the hand, my bad, you do have the outs here to shove it :)