Think I it was too loose a call on the river....can't think now that he would have had anything but top pair.. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$5 + $0.25 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1425 BBGambit_ace91575 Effective Stacks: 71bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 50, Gambit_ace9 calls 30 Flop (100, 2 players) Gambit_ace9 checks, Hero bets 60, Gambit_ace9 calls 60 Turn (220, 2 players) Gambit_ace9 checks, Hero checks River (220, 2 players) Gambit_ace9 bets 190, Hero calls 190 Final Pot: 600 Hero shows a pair of Jacks Gambit_ace9 shows Hero wins 600 ( won +300 ) Gambit_ace9 lost -300
What I meant to ask was what are the conditions which you would feel comfortable making this call?
Hard to really give an answer with knowing your history with this player and his tendencies. I think without reads etc this is a fold most of the time - its hard to see someone betting 3 streets without at least a good top pair, I think alot of players would probably also check down a weakish two pair on the river. But it also might have something to do with the stakes.
@twostate Betting 3 streets? Villain calls flop, checks turn, leads river and hero bets, checks, calls.@dzikijohnny Make it 60 pre. 70 or 80 on the flop. Bet the turn. Why are we giving villain a free card here? This is about the best turn card we could hope for. What else are we looking for, an 8? Not likely since that improves some hands drawing to the straight- 98, 97, 87, 86, 74.River is tricky because it's a nasty card for us. 98 and 43 got there and 76 made 2 pair (84 and 75 less likely but possible too) and villain is leading into us. Ugh. This is exactly why we should have charged villain to see the river. We hit the best card we could have hoped for on the turn yet gave up control of the hand.As played I'm folding here. Villain is showing up with rando 2 pair, luckbox straight, Q or better J here far too often. I don't like the hero call unless we have reads that villian likes to donk bluff the river like this.
lol must have misread.
rong...I checked the turn because then I actually had a hand then :) Because he called my openraise and cbet I was putting him more on a pair. You are right...I need to work on my hand reading. I didn't really think about the straight or two pair. I was thinking more about that there was a bluff and or a value bet with a intermediate pair. In a case like that if you were the villan with two pair or the straight would you have not been more likely to have tried to induce a bluff and or a bet from and intermediate pair. I will look over the tournament and see what I was thinking. It was not an immediate call. What I thought most was that the size of the bet was a "get out" size not a "pay me off" size.
the way u play u seem to think your opponent is always bluffin wich can be true at 5$ stake but if u expect to climb up and and to have such basic hand reading (bluffer, bluffer bluffer...) u'll get in trouble pretty often and probably be a losin player. Also bluffin a bluffer early in a match is not (just my thoughts ) the best option
I'm calling here a ton, especially since the flop was just check called.The thing that nobody has really mentioned so far, is that opponents (especially at lower levels) tend to really turn up their bluffing frequency vs the cbet flop, check back turn hero lines in position. That, combined with lower stakes players floating flops more often (and this one is pretty dry, so high cards and weak random stuff is always possible) makes this a pretty frequently correct call with the strength of your hand.You also see he overplayed a weak pair, this is just another example of a low stakes player kind of mini spazzing when you show weakness. Overplaying small pairs is more common than most think, and an often overlooked possibility when people are analyzing hands like this on the river.Now, if you play an opponent who is passive, does not CR some strength, does not often float and has passed up on bluffing in pretty obvious bluffing spots... then go ahead and fold to his river lead.However, in that case, and many others, you can also bet the turn. Basically, if your opponent cannot bluff raise you on the turn, bet it, because almost no opponent has a range that is stronger than your hand on this turn, he'd have to be folding 2nd and 3rd pair as well as many draws to make a turn bet bad (assuming he cannot CR turn with a worse hand than your's).
good post rypac.i would barrel this turn a pretty large %, unless he had shown us that he didn't c/r TP or he had been super bluff happy at rivers in the past/weak vs DB.
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