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Coaches, need some advice for someone coming up through the ranks.

heyi was a successful NL25 6max grinder. i used to 12 table everest for 5-6ptbb and actually somehow managed to live off that. As time passed though I really stopped enjoying poker, I realized that was because I was pretty much just autopiloting and it became boring.i took a 2 month break from poker and withdrew most of my bankroll to live. HUSNG's had always intrigued me in the past since rake at HU cash at lower levels was just ridiculous. i have always had interest in HU and watched a ton of HU videos in the past from various coaching sites purely out of sheer interest. anyways i made a deposit a week ago on stars and started at the $6.25 turbos which seem to be going really well so far. i'm never happy with just being average, whenever i do anything i always try and become the best possible player, although the main thing that always holds me back is fear of moving up.anyways, based on your experiences and what i have told you about myself would you recommend on starting out on a site like pokerstars? i have heard that stars and tilt are usually more difficult to beat then some of the euro sites. i do not want to repeat the same mistakes i did when grinding small stakes, playing the easiest sites and getting into a comfort zone, this time i want to keep moving up and not autopilot. but at the same time its also important to play soft compettion intitally so you can build up a decent sized bankroll. so what would you guys do in my position? stay at stars and just move through the ranks there, or start out on a site like UB or ipoker (which is apparently softer) and first build up a roll there before moving to stars?thanks in advance for your replies 

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While I would say that sites

While I would say that sites such as Merge (Carbon), Cake, Bodog, UB and some of the euro sites are softer at every level of husng than Stars or FTP, the lower and mid stakes should be plenty beatable for you.Your ability to get action on Stars and FTP will also be much easier, so it'll make up for a lot of any "smaller edge" which is often quite exaggerated (yes, higher stakes are going to be a lot easier on those second or third tier sites, but those games don't run nearly as often as Stars or FTP, so you have to weigh everything against each other).Since you're starting low and want to move up fast and don't just want to search out the softest competition with little regard for hourly or growth, I would recommend Full Tilt or PokerStars to start.The two biggest differences to me for low stakes players are:Stars - The good is that they offer some slower structures with tons of action, such as their regular speed structure (10 min blind levels, 75bb starting stacks) and even their turbos (5 min blind levels, 75bb starting stacks) which makes it easier to learn how to adapt and apply adjustments when you're starting out.  The negative is that the VIP tier probably only gives you about half of the effective rakeback that Full Tilt does, though nobody in the lower stakes is aiming to become a rakeback professional, it can still be a somewhat important factor to consider, depending on volume, skill and future growth vs short term returns.Full Tilt - Faster structures in their turbo speed (3 min blind levels I believe, 50bb starting stacks) and regular speed (maybe 5 min blind levels?  or 6 minutes, not positive, but 75bb starting stacks make these very similar to Stars turbos).  Super turbos are even faster, only starting you at 25bb.  They did add deep stack husngs, which appear to be a lot slower and deeper of a structure, allowing for that massive achievable ROI that you see only in Stars no blind increases (upwards of 25%, even as high as 35-40% at some lower stakes).  The positive is the 27% rakeback.---A few other points: The reason why I mention the slower and deeper structures are specifically good for beginners is not only because it allows them to adjust more often (and take longer in doing so while still winning) but a product of that larger edge per game will be less downswings.  Downswings are often reacted to poorly with too many emotions by newer and lower stakes players (even higher stakes winning players do this too, but to a lesser extent, or they've learned to manage it somewhat so that they can still profit), so playing in a slower structure with a larger edge can be a lot more comfortable for a newer player to do.In the end, I would recommend some sort of a balance.  Stars regular speeds being the slowest structure you should pick to learn in (no blind increase is just too slow and you'll get used to unrealistic positive variance you just cannot find anywhere else in faster structures, it'll ruin you when you move up or cause you a massive learning curve, as these games don't really run at higher stakes) and FTP regular speeds probably as the fastest stakes.  If you do well in any of these, feel free to explore slower, deeper structures or shorter, faster ones (FTP turbos, FTP super turbos for example).

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thank you so much for the in

thank you so much for the in depth reply ;)you are right i will just stick to stars or tilt. i think for now though i just like the insanely huge player base stars has (3x that of ftp) and i will just work my way up the VIP ranks there, hopefully aim for supernova next yr. (unless i somehow manage to move up ultra quick this year ;p)also if i can play tougher compettion it will just make me a better player and thats what it should be about, yes hourly is important too but my problem in the past was i was all about the hourly, if you become one of the top players i think you'll automatically have a decent hourly and much less swings :)i signed up for a month of HUSNG.com last month and wow what value for money i will be signing up again soon when my roll is a bit bigger. also definitely want to get as much coaching as i can when i can afford it ;)