Donk bet is good against those who cbet close to 100% of the time and shut down on turn, so on turn donk bet can be good >1/2pot in hope for ur opp to spazz
Ok, so you are doing it to give you oponent another card in order to extract value, as opposed to check rasing and just having them fold due to their high c-betting frequency. Is that right?Are you also sometimes donking as a bluff, such as a missed turn?
I'm often using this strategy against bad opponents if that turn card improved my hand somehow - ie. I didn't want to check-raise them on the flop because my hand was too weak, but now I've improved and want to get some value / not have them see a free card.Sometimes, I also use this line with a marginal top pair type hand on a very drawy board - where my hand usually isn't good if I check-raise and get shoved on. But at the turn, if all draws missed, their equity against my hand has decreased, so they'd mostly check back but still call a smallish bet if I lead into them. Then at the river, they often don't give my any credit for anything and spazz out if their draw missed.You need reads for that, though. Some opponents will bluff-shove over a smallish river value bet, others bet really huge with their missed draws if you check to them and bet smaller with their value hands.Many bad players also seem to balance their ranges very badly at the turn - like flat with their draws and raise with their monsters.For example, let's say you have A9 on 589 with a flush-draw - if you check-raise here, then you're mostly crushed if they jam over the top and most draws also have decent equity against you. However, if you flat and lead smallish on a blank turn, many opponents will still raise with their monsters but only flat with their draws - because now, with just one card to come they have less equity, so they can't just shove and still have some 45+% equity when called.
Thanks Jack. It seems good players recommend to both lead and donk the turn when they improve.But I'm not sure thats what most villians are doing when they donk, it seems more like they are doing the opposite of what you suggest and are donking becuase they missed.
Just played a hand today where I developed a read that villan responded poorly to a flop donk. I donked once as a bluff and got raisesed, second time I did it with a strong hand, and sure enough I was raised (and he shut down ui - was bluffing). So I decided to try it on the turn after floating a 843r flop with A5s, I hit an A on the turn and donked 2/3 pot and raised by J2.So definitely think it is read dependent. Also agree with what Jack said. If I call the flop with mid pair or something and make trips, 2pair, or a disgusied straight or something then donking turn is definitely in my playbook, especially if I think villian respods poorly to it or think villain has a strong hand and turn brings an obvious draw.
Donk bet is good against those who cbet close to 100% of the time and shut down on turn, so on turn donk bet can be good >1/2pot in hope for ur opp to spazz
Ok, so you are doing it to give you oponent another card in order to extract value, as opposed to check rasing and just having them fold due to their high c-betting frequency. Is that right?Are you also sometimes donking as a bluff, such as a missed turn?
I'm often using this strategy against bad opponents if that turn card improved my hand somehow - ie. I didn't want to check-raise them on the flop because my hand was too weak, but now I've improved and want to get some value / not have them see a free card.Sometimes, I also use this line with a marginal top pair type hand on a very drawy board - where my hand usually isn't good if I check-raise and get shoved on. But at the turn, if all draws missed, their equity against my hand has decreased, so they'd mostly check back but still call a smallish bet if I lead into them. Then at the river, they often don't give my any credit for anything and spazz out if their draw missed.You need reads for that, though. Some opponents will bluff-shove over a smallish river value bet, others bet really huge with their missed draws if you check to them and bet smaller with their value hands.Many bad players also seem to balance their ranges very badly at the turn - like flat with their draws and raise with their monsters.For example, let's say you have A9 on 589 with a flush-draw - if you check-raise here, then you're mostly crushed if they jam over the top and most draws also have decent equity against you. However, if you flat and lead smallish on a blank turn, many opponents will still raise with their monsters but only flat with their draws - because now, with just one card to come they have less equity, so they can't just shove and still have some 45+% equity when called.
Thanks Jack. It seems good players recommend to both lead and donk the turn when they improve.But I'm not sure thats what most villians are doing when they donk, it seems more like they are doing the opposite of what you suggest and are donking becuase they missed.
Just played a hand today where I developed a read that villan responded poorly to a flop donk. I donked once as a bluff and got raisesed, second time I did it with a strong hand, and sure enough I was raised (and he shut down ui - was bluffing). So I decided to try it on the turn after floating a 843r flop with A5s, I hit an A on the turn and donked 2/3 pot and raised by J2.So definitely think it is read dependent. Also agree with what Jack said. If I call the flop with mid pair or something and make trips, 2pair, or a disgusied straight or something then donking turn is definitely in my playbook, especially if I think villian respods poorly to it or think villain has a strong hand and turn brings an obvious draw.