No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$5.00+$0.25Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converterBBJTHeenan910 SBHero2090 Effective Stacks: 46bbBlinds 10/20
- Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB
Hero raises to 40, JTHeenan raises to 80, Hero calls 40
- Flop (160, 2 players)
JTHeenan bets 20, Hero raises to 120, JTHeenan calls 100
- Turn (400, 2 players)
JTHeenan checks, Hero bets 360, JTHeenan goes all-in 710, Hero calls 350
- River (1820, 2 players, 1 all-in)
- Final Pot: 1820
- JTHeenan shows a full house, Eights full of Kings
- Hero shows two pair, Jacks and Eights
- JTHeenan wins 1820 ( won +910 )
- Hero lost -910
This player was absolutely horrible. Earlier in the match, he bet small three streets on a board of 7d5h4d9s3d and called a pot sized river raise with 84o. He also called the flop and checked down two 6-high hands with no draws possible. He'd only raised me postflop twice before in the match. This was hand #26. I cannot check the turn can I? Especially against someone who will call super-wide? Once he raises, I am committed to the hand, no?
Well, if he is a terrible player why not shove AJ for value?Low stakes players hate to fold, especially if they raise. It is so often a crappy Ax rasing you there so you want to get it in. I don't think he is folding k8 there. Stacks are too shallow to 4bet so I'd pretty much always be shoving. Why let the villian take the initiative when you are holding AJ?The flop is tricky. The bet of 20 looks like a blocker bet or a straight/flush draw. A raise seems like a good idea. If you raise (i would raise much larger) you are pretty much deciding you are getting it in if he shoves (he is shovign alot of different stuff there) . If he shoves you are normally doing ok, rare he has the 8. So in that sense its hard to get away from a raise. Lucky for you he flatted (that means he has very good equity, other wise he is folding. My guess on a flat there would be pocket pairs and 8X).A flat call on the flop is not terrible there, you have position and any turn decision is easy after that. It is weak just to flat, but it is a 3-bet pot. It depends on what reads you have.When the 10 comes you are turning your hand into a bluff, I wouldnt bet there, way too many hands are beating you. When he shoves there he is beating you pretty much always (Q9, 79, pocket pairs, 8X, diamonds). That is you biggest mistake i think, betting the 10 of diamonds and calling. The only argument for betting 10 of diamonds is to bluff, but what are you bluffing him off?
Oh, just to answer your question... yes you check the turn, why not? The board is really scary, he 3 betted you, you have a pair of J, I'd just be trying to get to showdown cheaply. Why bet, for value or as a bluff?
Thanks for your replies fuseo...When you say to shove AJ...you mean preflop? Pretty much all I have to go off is the many videos I've watched, but I've never seen any of them shove this deep, even at a $5.25.Each of my bets was for value, based upon the hand I cited that called a pot size river raise with a hand that only beats a bluff on a three flush/four straight board. Also previous calls with nothing and no hope to make anything.
I don't think you should ever shove AJ that deep against a good player who min 3-bets, if he is really bad like you say and a call station I'd shove for value. If you feel it's too deep (he will fold weaker and only call stronger) then 4 bet and induce a shove. Depth to me didn't matter because you are shoving purely for value against a call station.The value comes from all the weak aces and kx that fish just can't fold, even after you subtract all the times they have monsters. I expect to be 60% against a fish calling range, plus you have 10% in the pot.That's just my thought. Could be wrong. But if you shoved do you think he would of called?I think your read that he is a station is helpful, but i don't think that makes betting for value on that board profitable. Even if he is a station you still want to control the pot. When you betted for value what hands did you think you were getting value out of?
I agree because of the description of your opponent. He's not the type to fold a hand as huge as K8 (well, huge in his eyes...) so whether you're 42bb deep or 60bb he's not thinking about that. All he sees is his own hand so the straight value play is probably best against this type of guy.
Fuseo, while I would normally agree with you saying the turn is much too loose and even might qualify as "turning your hand into a bluff" based on his description of his opponent it sounds like he'll call with a lot of worse hands.That said, I'm still not going to flat out say you took the best line.Starting with preflop, has he made small 3bets like this before? It looks like a decent spot to reraise an opponent like this, but when flat calling in this spot you do want to charge him value with such a strong hand because he calls so loose.Depending on how certain and extreme your reads really are here, checking the turn can be a good option. You can still pick up +EV bets as bluffs on many river cards (any bluff reads thus far?) and if he checks the river, if he's like most loose players, he usually has worse hands that you can value bet against profitably.
If I remember correctly, I simply flat called because this was the first hand of the match that he had 3B me. He was not aggro at all, though prone to some stupid bets now and then. But he certainly liked calling more than betting.This is one type of situation where I think I have a major leak. I think I am approaching this backwards...I am betting the turn so I can check the river. I think I exhibit this pattern often. I want to get value from my hand while the board is still not horrible and check down the river.I am unsure what situations I should be checking the turn and betting or calling the river and which situations it's best to bet the turn and check the river. My default is almost always to bet the turn when I'm not sure which route to take.