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qattack's picture
Flopped Top Pair, No Kicker OOP (High Binds)

No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$5.00+$0.25Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converterBBHero1705 SBAAA8131295 Effective Stacks: 13bbBlinds 50/100

  • Pre-Flop (150, 2 players) Hero is BB

AAA813 calls 50, Hero checks

  • Flop (200, 2 players)

Hero checks, AAA813 bets 100, Hero calls 100

  • Turn (400, 2 players)

Hero checks, AAA813 checks

  • River (400, 2 players)

Hero checks, AAA813 checks

  • Final Pot: 400
  • Hero shows two pair, Jacks and Fives
  • AAA813 shows
  • Hero wins 400 ( won +200 )
  • AAA813 lost -200

Villain has played mostly fit or fold all match, but seems to have started stabbing a bit at 25/50 in limped pots when IP. He has mostly folded the flop when he's had nothing, though at 10/20 he did float IP a couple times with King high and OOP with Queen high. In no case did he try to bluff on subsequent streets. He will likely bet if he has any part of the board and check down turn and river with less than top pair. However, he will slowplay to the extreme with a solid hand like QJ or better, maybe even as low as J8. He'll fold any hand that I have beat to a checkraise (and call any hand that beats me) and I doubt that I would want to take the chance on an inflated pot here anyway. If I bet and he raises at any point, I am definitely beat. How should I proceed in this pot from the flop onward?

chugenemes's picture
what's with the title :S you

what's with the title :S you have top two, not bpnk. as for you saying 'If I bet and he raises at any point, I am definitely beat' if your very sure on this read than you can bet turn for value and fold if he raises you.and it's not even that thin.river is a c/f imo.

qattack's picture
LOL, I changed the

LOL, I changed the title...was in a big hurry because I was at my Grandmother's house and we were going out to eat and she was waiting for me to finish. :SAfter I typed out the reads (so I could them in print), I thought both of the lines you noted would be correct, but I was still somewhater unsure.But it's good to check-call the flop?

chugenemes's picture
when that flop comes down you

when that flop comes down you should be thinking how you can extract max value,if your oppenent doesn't cbet dry boards than donking out would be best, if he does than going for a small c/r to say 200-250 will be very profitable. Small re raises are very see through but fish don't like folding to them once they've already invested that t100 and getting 5:1 or so.don't be scared to bet OOP because the villain might raise you, if he does this than he's turning his hand face up. what where is cbet tendencies? (i know it's not actually a cbet ^^)

qattack's picture
If I remember correctly, he

If I remember correctly, he did not raise preflop very often and always made a 1/2 pot cbet on the flop. He limped very often.

xXTheBirdXx's picture
A c/f at the River seems way

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xXTheBirdXx's picture
A c/f at the River seems way

A c/f at the River seems way to weak he could easily be betting the River with any Hand u beat. As you said he could also have something like J8 to QJ wich he could bet for Value as you would Propably not check a Str8 there after he checks behind the turn.So  the choice is between b/f, b/c, and c/c. By c/cing you let him check behind many Hands that would sometimes call you. By b/cing you turn your Hand into a bluffcatcher, wich seems bad as you say he is not really bluffy. My prefered line there is b/fing because people especially at the lower stakes love to herocall and as u said if he raises u will always be beat.  

fuseo's picture
From the flop onward... I'd

From the flop onward... I'd be leading the flop, I'd lead the turn and I'd check the river. You can check the turn if you like.I think in any limped pot like that you have to lead. When the stacks get shorter it becomes even more important as postion matters less. At 13BB I'd lead that flop with; air with no showdown, draws with no showdown, top pair, over pocket pairs, middle pair, 2 pair and trips. I'd check back K, A, bottom pair and under pocket pairs.

qattack's picture
Thank you chug, fuseo and Mr.

Thank you chug, fuseo and Mr. Bird...Some of things you said I already "knew", but couldn't articulate to myself.While this probably seems like a simple hand, this probably has a couple of "AHA!" moments for me.In particular, the reasoning behind b/f (when compared to other lines) and the explanation of  donking with 13bb are extremely helpful to clarify my thinking.