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DonNew's picture
Fold top pair river when board gets really really wet??

one of the first hands of the game...Is my fold good on the river? please ignore my betting on the flop as it was a misclick No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 PlayersHand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converterBTNHero1500 BB_Graf_1500 Effective Stacks: 75bbBlinds 10/20Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is BTN Hero raises to 40, _Graf_ calls 20Flop (80, 2 players) _Graf_ checks, Hero bets 60, _Graf_ raises to 120, Hero raises to 180, _Graf_ calls 60Turn (440, 2 players)_Graf_ checks, Hero bets 440, _Graf_ calls 440River (1320, 2 players)_Graf_ bets 660, Hero foldsFinal Pot: 1980

fuseo's picture
Not sure about your best

Not sure about your bet sizing from preflop to the turn.660 looks like a value/blocker bet by a pair (maybe ace) afraid that you'll bet pot on the river. If I had a straight or flush I'd lead bigger than 660 since you had bet full pot on the turn.I mean it dosnt make sense to call a full pot bet with a flush or straight draw in order to only win an extra 660 chips.Thats pretty bad implied odds, even for a fish.I'd call on the river.

DonNew's picture
Thanks for the comment. the

Thanks for the comment.the flop bet was a misclick.I was very put off by his min check raise on the flop, seemed liked a draw but of course the straight draw can only be made by a 7T hand, and since i have one flush blocker in my hand + the fact that villains sizing on river is a bit odd could indicate a call instead.

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Do not change raisee size

Do not change raisee size preflop, but i think you should be raising to 60 pre, if the villain was loose OOP,Bet 80 on the flop, and reraise should be larger, around ~420-500.I'd bet to commit myself on the turn, maybe turn shove looks good... 

qattack's picture
I agree with sierikas.

I agree with sierikas. Definitely reraise much larger on that flop.A min-reraise really doesn't accomplish much on any board, but especially on this board, where there are so many draws and second-best hands that may turn into something stronger, you need to be putting him to a decision early.Charge him for his JT and flush draws. As is, he is very correct to call with a hand like J8 or even 65.Your reraise need to be at least to 450 and be happy that he folds on this board. You take down a nice pot and you aren't put to tought decisions on later streets.But you can also be happy when called for this bet size, as you almost surely have the best hand here, and the larger pot clarifies things for you.A further note about the bet size...I prefer your raise to be to 500. In this way, you can shove the turn for a pot-sized bet.

RyPac13's picture
Preflop you're going into the

Preflop you're going into the first hand, so consistency isn't really an important factor.  Since your hand is so strong (and I often default with a 3x, but a 2x default is absolutely fine and several of the best husng minds actually believe it's the best default raise size, though I believe that's more geared towards higher stakes and against the avg low stakes opponent 2.5x is probably ideal theoretically), just make it 60 and get max value preflop.Otherwise, this is the perfect example of why you want more flop value.  Since you misclicked, it's not a huge deal (this river situation) given that you'd likely raise to 360+ if you had to do it over again.  From there, you make a committing type turn bet and you never really fold the river against an unknown, you're both just too pot committed for you to readlessly make a hero fold and for them to not be bluffing at least some % of the time the draws "get there."Minor - Raise larger preflop, it's first hand and you have a very strong hand.Major - Reraise larger on the flop, you have a very strong hand on a draw heavy board where plenty of weaker hands (some much much weaker) will call you, it's important you take that value early on so that the weaker hands and draws don't get to see a lot of cards cheaply, as they will more likely improve their hand or kill your action rather than improve your hand and encourage more action from your opponent.