Hey people, I have 2 questions and I would appreciate some advice.1. With what range are you calling a 3-bet? A min-3bet? I think I am way too tight when calling a 3-bet.Normally I call a 3-bet with TT+, AT+, KQ, maybe QJs etc.. Is it too tight?Also, I call a min 3-bet with any card I raise with (it's like people at low stakes min 3-bet with a looot of hands). Is it ok to do that?2. For my second question, if I play turbo on Fulltilt, is it ok to min-raise the whole match? I really like to do that because I think that at low stakes, a min-raise has the exact same effect on people that a 3X raise most of the time (I also watched that in some coach videos) and you lose less if they do something crazy (a lot of shove + big donk bet at those stakes). Of course the problem is that I lose value from my big hands (the ones I would gladly raise 3X). However, after watching cog's videos, I realised having 2 sets of raise (min raise and 3X) can be easily exploitable (min-raise average and 3X good one).So, if I feel confortable always min-raising, should I continue this way or is this a really bad habit?Thanks
In the turbo structure on FTP I think minraising at every level is often best. Sometimes I'll 2.5x at the early stages but it's honestly not a big difference in EV except against very specific opponents (perhaps against someone playing 90% vpip with 10% 3bet in the big blind it's much better to 2.5 or 3x). Without reads at 50bb I'd call a pot 3bet with more hands than that. Probably A9-AJ, K8s+, K9o+, Q9+, 56s-9Ts, 55-88 or something along those lines. I'd 4bet the hands better than that most the time. With reads we can adjust this but that's a big topic and probably something you should just work on situationally over time. Also, against a min3bet (literally calling 1bb to win 5bb) we should defend essentially anything we opened. We're getting 5:1 immediate and better than 40:1 implied at 50bb stacks, which is good enough to defend garbage like J5o simply because of how often we'll flop 2pair+ and win a big pot. Against people who do this play with a high frequency, it's an even more clear call, since hands like J5o will be valuable simply when they flop a pair. Hope that helps!
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barewire what u mean by pot 3bet? for me this would be a min-raise.... example?
I think a pot 3b is a 3x.
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I'm sometimes 3-b from 40-80 or 40-100. When 3b from 40-80, I call with any two cards. For 40-100, I tighten up but only very slightly. Can some math whiz ^ahem^ tell me if this is correct assuming a 20% 3b range in both cases. I'm referring to raw equities, not implied odds.BTW: When I read min 3b, I am thinking of getting 3b from 40-60 and not 40-80.
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1.I'd never call a 3-bet with 10s, just shove. I dont want to see a flop with 10s in a big pot.Depending on pot size and stack sizes that may include JJs to QQs.I'd never call a 3-bet TT+ or AT+, they would all be 4-bets of some kind.I'd flat with hands like K10,KQ,QJ,Q10,109s. Depending of pot and stack sizes you can fold out the bottom of that range.With min 3-bets it also depends on stack sizes and what hands you are opening. If you are opening a large range you can not just call min-3-bets at 12BB. It also depends on villains 3-betting frequency. There is no easy answer.2.Min raising is fine. If you can stand the variance, 3Xing works pretty good in lower stakes as people flat oop too wide.If someone is folding to c-bets too much then you could go to a 3X. But turbos dont give you much time to be doing 3X, its only really viable in the first blind level.
A 3-bet pot is a pot in which someone raises and the opponent REraises.So, for example, if you are on the SB with JJ at blinds of 10/20 and you raise to 50 chips, and your opponent in the BB reraises to 170 chips, your opponent's raise is a 3 Bet.If you then REraise to 500 chips, your reraise is a 4B. If the opponent then shoves allin, that raise is a 5B.
When i refer to a pot 3bet i just mean a pot sized raise. For example if you minraise at 15/30 that's 3betting from 60 to 180, if you 3x its from 90 to 270. Chipleader correctly noted that a pot sized 3bet preflop is always 3x the size of your initial raise. Anyways the relevant factors when you're facing a 3bet between min (from 60 to 90) and pot (from 60 to 180) are depth of stacks, and thus your implied odds, and also your immediate pot odds. if he 3bets from 60 to 120 you're paying 60 to see a flop in a 240 chip pot, meaning you're getting immediate 4:1 odds. In addition, at starting stacks, we're paying 60 to potentially win another 1380 chips, or 23:1 implied odds. This means we should peel with a lot of hands, and you can widen/narrow the hands we can profitably peel based on how tough our opponent is and also how weak/strong his 3betting range is. I'm generally calling a lot of stuff (i.e. J7o) for this size at starting stacks, but nothing as weak as 93o, which i would peel for a min3bet at 100bb stacks for the most part.
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Just a picky point, but if opponent 3Bs you in your example from 60 to 120, you are getting 3-to-1 odds (3:1), or 4-FOR-1. Your bet is not included in the calculation.A similar but more complicated problem arises with implied odds, as you need to be able to estimate what your likelihood of being paid off is to derive implied odds.Sorry, I know it's picky but does make a big difference when someone is talking about calling with 4:1 odds because their chences of winning are 1 in 3.5. This would be a call if calculated correctly, but a fold if not.