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Il Monk's picture
I got min 3bet the first time

Is it fine to call his min 3-bet with this crappy hand? It is the first time he 3bets me. Further he didn't shows that much aggression, and he played very passive. Had some weird lines and slowplayedd ones twopair he flopped where I runner runner a worse 2 pair. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$2.00+$0.20 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBSlava141551420  SBHero1580  Effective Stacks: 71bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, Slava14155 raises to 100, Hero calls 40 Flop (200, 2 players) Slava14155 bets 100, Hero calls 100 Turn (400, 2 players) Slava14155 bets 120, Hero calls 120 River (640, 2 players) Slava14155 bets 160, Hero raises to 520, Slava14155 calls 360 Final Pot: 1680 Slava14155 shows Hero shows a flush, King high Hero wins 1680 ( won +840 ) Slava14155 lost -840

Boulases's picture
I Guess it okay .....    40

I Guess it okay .....  40 in 160 + position + deep  But maybe i raise the flop ,  btw horrible call from him .. 

bonafontz's picture
Hey Boulases,I am not sure

Hey Boulases or anyone who wish to contribute,I am not sure why raising the flop is better here so I would like some comments on my thoughts.When you say raising the flop is better, is it because of those reasons?If we RAISE1.       Since it is the first time he 3-bets us I think we get value from something like AA, KK, 88, 33, AK, KQ, and KJ if we hit on the turn. One of the only made hands we fold is probably A8.2.       However, if we get a fold (he has air) it is nice because I think we are happy to get the pot right here. Moreover we get some information next time we get into a 3 bet pot again. Like: Continuation bet of ½ pot on K83hh then fold to a raise. So, if next time he c-bet more/less on a similar board, we can adjust our play. Does that make sense? Or raising is good for a total different reason? Thanks 

Boulases's picture
Make sense to me !!     is

Make sense to me !!   is range should be  AA, KK, 88, 33, AK, KQ, and KJ  + TJs , JQs maybe more loose for a 2 $ sng The board dont connect to much  ... A lot of hand need to fold to a raise + bet turn ... 

Boulases's picture
+   is not bad to call you in

+ is not bad to callyou in position / make pot control / can see if he give up on the turn or rivers   

RyPac13's picture
I don't think a flop raise is

I don't think a flop raise is bad or anything, but I find a flop flat call is often better because:1) For the same reasons a flop raise is a possibility and not likely bad, they miss this board a lot and you can still bluff/semi bluff when you miss the turn quite often (as many turn cards do not help them, and in fact make them feel less happy about their hand).2) When you do hit your flush draw on the turn you can pick up another bet from hands that would fold the flop.  You can also still get a sizeable bet in if they check, and of course you can raise if they bet, which brings me to this specific hand:You should raise the turn for value here.  He's betting too small for you to flat call, especially at these stack depths.  And besides the value missed out on, you actually are raising for protection here a bit too.  Smaller bets can often be draws, and draws in this case with a heart in their hand can out draw you on the river, where you're in a large pot with a still relatively strong hand that is tough to lay down given the amount people often bluff 4 flush boards in large pots...So I think the main thing in this hand is just to raise the turn.  I would've flat called the flop then raised the turn and shoved the river.  It's a line that I believe will give you the best overall edge against most players.  If you have specific tendencies/reads on an opponent, this may change, but I find flat calling this flop really leads to us winning large pots quite a large % of the time.  You'll still lose a lot of chips vs the AA, AK, KK type hands, but even when you flat the flop, they will too often bet small or check a turn, and that's just so advantageous to us in a hand like this.

Il Monk's picture
Ok thank you all for youre

Ok thank you all for youre reaction. I do got one question I have some problems with calling a min 3bet. When some body raises from 60--->100 u call ATC? And if somebody is min 3betting from 60--->120 we call also ATC or else?

RyPac13's picture
This deep you can basically

This deep you can basically call any two cards.When you get into other blind areas, pick up various reads and so on, you can change it up a bit and ultimately fold vs some less favorable players (extremely tight ranges, aggressive play on early streets and short stacks are the worst combination to call a small 3bet with ATC).But by default, if you get min 3bet, even 2x 3bet at 70b, I think you can pretty much call with any two cards readless.  There's enough opportunity to take down a pot when they show weakness, value bet hard when you hit something, and save your chips in the other instances for the situation to be worth another 2-3 bbs.

eejit's picture
Hokie Greg has mentioned a

Hokie Greg has mentioned a few times in his videos that people don't like to give up in min 3bet pots, so I like just calling the flop as well. I agree with Rypac, raise the turn.