I'd like to know what you thinking was a each point of the hand. Because your line makes no sense to me.

Hey Fuseo, I would like to hear about your thoughts on this hand. I would probably fold pre; but if raised, I would play like that. No reads so:Flop: I would C-bet 80-100. Here I think the hands we can get called on are A2, A3, A4, A5, A6, 67s, 87s and Over Cards of the like of KJ, KT, QJ, QT etc... We get raised by 33, 44, 55 and 77-99 (wet board so opponent will raise to make us pay for our possible draw and protect is hand) So here, I would expect him to have A2, A3, A4, A5, A6, 67s and over cards (I would expect a loose player to call with those hands OOP but since we have no reads, we can only suppose).Turn: I would check/call and reevaluate on the river. In my opinion, there is no reason to build the pot here. If we bet, we get value from Top pair (A5 or something like that), draws that would still stick around (I think many would fold). But we give money to A2, A6, 67. River:River: I would check/call a small bet. If he shoves, I would fold my 2 pairs. My process is very similar to what OP wrote.So Fuseo, since you seem way more experienced than me, where is the flaw in my thinking process. What’s wrong with it? Thanks

Turn is pretty bad card so I would check behind and probably let him bluff on the river.

polarise hand at the river ....  if you call the turn .... you call the river  !  btw , good post . this hand is not easy   

I def agree with Boulases here. Very polarized range he has at the river. He either has the nuts or nothing so if you bet/call the turn, you should definetely call the river especially when the J hits.The j doesnt change the board really.

The best line in this hand will be checking back the turn for pot control/protection.  This only really changes when you know your opponent calls you with a very wide range of hands and thus makes value betting superior (even then it can be a check back).  But most of the time checking back this turn is ideal without any reads.The river would be a call vs a lead in that case, or if he checks a value bet.The thing about the turn raise is that it is so often the straight (aside from playing bluffy players).But the main thing you should take out of this hand is to check the turn back without reads.Loose or passive players can be bet into more often there for value, as your risk vs reward on getting value vs giving value is much more favorable then, but readless you induce/control the pot/still allow for a 2nd value bet or "value call" on the river.

It means his range is like either very strong and specific like a straight or very weak.I agree to an extent, but readless players get feisty sometimes with sets in places like the turn, even 2 pairs or top pairs in addition to all the air (other end of the range to make it polarized) he can have.But something like 87 makes sense too.  I'm not sure it qualifies as polar since so many strong hands are still possible with the weak, but you certainly don't often see stuff like 2nd, 3rd or 4th pairs here very often (or bottom straight draw) so the definition probably does fit.

Rrye, the problem is your thinking on the turn. You say you cant bet smaller because there are open draws that can call, but you are getting value from open draws, you want them to call.So now that draws can't call they are going to raise ,but because of the 7 you don't want to see a big raise as you don't have the equity against that range (even thought it has air and draws) to make it profitable. So it's not a board where you want to induce draws, or even build the pot for that matter.It seems like you are saying that you are betting 200 and then just giving up if he doesn't fold. That may be positive EV, but it definitely is not max EV.Call the river shove? I would check the turn so that I don't have to make a decisions like that.Bonafontz, I can't see any flaws there, I think thats would be the standard line without reads.    

I thing in spots like this you should be thinking about what cobinations that include a six could he have (eg how many hands could shove the river for value). You hold 45, and there is a five on the board, so there is 8 combos of 56 left. If we assume he is not very loose its probably only 5d6d and 5h6h but you dont have any reads so lets continue with 8 combos. There is 12 combos of 67 (three 7 x four 6 just for you to know where this comes from). and 4 combos of 66 he could have called with to setmine. Lets hope that he is probably not playing hands 46 and 86 as you did not minraise preflop (but who knows if it was suited). Of course against this range you are crushed.But lets start to ad other possible holdings including draws and pair plus draws that have decided to semibluff the turn and than go crazy and bluff the river. I did not take in to consideration that 77-99 hands and sets couse they would I thing checkraise the flop for value or protection or both and there is only one combo of 55 he could have and and one combo of 44. I  If we give him the range for example A2,A3,A4, and some over card hands that could have turned some aditional equity (could be probaly any A from As7s to AsTs becouse they have a gut shot + backdoor FD) + some overs that didnt raise pre and could semibluff the turn QsJs,KsJs,and some times KsQs I would not think that floating with overs OOP would be something strange on this level. So Pokerstove says that you are good against that range 45% of the time even if we iclude all possible wheels with A2, so when it comes equity you need to be good here only 30% of the time (3/4 pot size bet) and if you called the turn you should call the river. I agree his range is polarized and I thing you should fold only in cases where you know he is only going to bet for value which on our stakes is not the case and I see some crazy plays like this all the time. The problem is you cant expect most players on this level to know what they are reping and how credibly. They just shove couse they missed their hand and thing you will act exactly this way, get scared by the 6x hands and fold because they thing they bet a lot and dont even realize that you only need to be good 30% of the time, so they would have to be beting with range that beats you in 70% or more to make you indifferent to calling eg to put you in spot where you are beat so often that it doesnt matter if you call or fold because, you loose if you call to his range and you loose if you fold because you fold.

I don't like the call period against players that you don't have a read on. You will loose the hand more often than that you will win it. If you call the turn, than yes you have to call the river. But I'd fold the turn, easy fold. Even check minraising the turn is in my oppinion a better option if you decide that you will call a raise when he reraises your turnbet ( which technically you decide before you put your bet in on the turn ). It's almost never good when you find yourself hoping that someone is just trying to take a sick stab at a pot even tough his bettingpattern is in line with a big hand.

@ RRReyeMMMAnother 260 is a little over a fourth of what's already in the pot, the chance that you hit a 4 or a 5 is less then 10%. The chance that you hit a 6 and hopefully chop is 7% when he is holding a 6 or a little under 10% when he isn't. When you do hit, you are likely to get him in, but you're not even sure.If he does have a 6, then you will get him in when you hit a 4 or a 5 and you win with what I would consider to be a suckout, or at least a cooler. Also if he has a 6, when another 6 hits, you only get to chop assuming he doesn't have a 7.If he doesn't have a 6 then he either has a set, an overpair, 2 pair or he'd be bluffing. Most of those hands are hands he just may get away from on the river, when you even hit any of your "outs". The only advantage here is that you also have some of the "no 6-range" beat.Still don't like the call, it's a bad spot when you have no reads. With a wet board like this, if you're hoping the river is going to checked back to you when you don't hit with a pot this large, than that should tell you something as well.

river is a fold anyway..