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Neurism's picture
How to get started?

Hey I've been playing $1 SNG Turbos on FT recently and have definetely been losing. I think it's mainly because of tilt. I'll put $25 dollars on and lose it in about two weeks. And I was just wondering if anyone could point in the right direction on how to get better at winning at this limit. Also I do not have a membership yet but I am planning on it relatively soon, but not sure if it really help at this stakes. Let me know. Also for a random question, how long do you think it would take a really well known professional heads up player(plays like $500 or higher limits) to turn $25 dollars in like $1000 playing headsup with proper BRM(Bank Roll Managemnt).Thanks, Neurism.

RyPac13's picture
- Free videos (under the free

- Free videos (under the free tab)- Post some hands in the hand history review forumThe last question about how long it would take...  well you can probably estimate it pretty well by making some ROI assumptions.It would depend on which structure and site they were playing on though.  But once you pick a site and structure, assign some likely winrates, it just becomes a math problem.The most basic way to do this I think would be to take their expected ROI at each level and turn it into a $ per game number.So if you start at the $1 level and post rake you expect to make 15 cents a game, you would look at how many games that would take at 15 cents a game to turn your $25 roll into $50 (assuming 25 buyins we'll say) and then you'd be at the $2 level and repeat.  You do that for every level and you'll have an approximate amount of games based on your projected winrates.Obviously variance can make the number much higher or lower.I remember a high stakes player doing something like this to kind of get back into grind/winning mode.  I think it was Sifosis, he was playing 1ks or something then decided it would be a good idea to start at the bottom and play a buyin level until he won X buyins.  Similar enough to mention here.

Neurism's picture
Thanks for the reply

Thanks for the reply RyPacWould getting a membership at this level now help a lot or should the free videos be fine for now? I play on getting membership in the future but I'm not sure when.Well wouldn't their ROI be exponentially higher since their at such a low buy in and are use to such experienced player?Could you give me a more acccurate assumpution with these details given?Site: FulltiltGame: Heads up TurboLevel: $1ROI at let's say %5 at the  $2000 level? I don't know if that's crazy good or average or bad but just as an example.How long would it take if they played 4 hours a day on average 5 days a week to turn $25 into $1000.If no one feels like doing this I understand I just want a rough estimate. I know variance is a big factor in it but I'd just like a guess. Thanks, Neurism.

Jess "Neurism" Farmer

RyPac13's picture
Watch a few of the free

Watch a few of the free videos over the next week and post a few hands that give you trouble (with any reads you had at that point in time) in the hand review forum.Based on what you learn from those two things, you should have a good idea of the value in the membership (good or bad) for you. Just watch the most recent 4 or 5 free videos though.  Some of the earlier ones we'll likely remove soon, they are shorter and much older/dated.  Still probably fine strategy in them, but I'd rather replace them with a few newer videos to better represent what we offer.

Neurism's picture
Thank you for all the help

Thank you for all the help RyPac13, unless anyone wants to answer my equation, then I'm done with this thread and you can just lock it or let it die out on the forums.

Jess "Neurism" Farmer

RyPac13's picture
I would guess 850 games

I would guess 850 games looking at the numbers very quickly, but I just ran through an example in my head and that's very prone to error.

IB_Fishing's picture
I just want to add that this

I just want to add that this is a great site to learn how to win at HUSnG. I wholeheartedly, without reservation recommend you get a membership if you are serious about learning the game and if you are willing to put in the work to learn and understand the concepts, theories and tactics that contribute to winning play.I would also suggest you look at the leakfinder vidoes in the free section. The leakfinder videos helped me a lot because the students played like I played (which means they made a lot of the same mistakes I was making). Listening to the instructor explain why the play was not best and then explain why his suggestion was better really helped me. The instructor also explained why certain plays the student made was a great play. So after learning the basic fundamentals, these leakfinder videos were really worth the price of membership for me (your mileage may vary, but I don't it).PaulIB_Fishingleakfinder videos really helped me to understand the basic fundamentals that I had learned.

Neurism's picture
Thanks RyPac for your

Thanks RyPac for your estimation.Also thank you IB_Fishing, I will check out this videos and I am definetely getting membership but not sure when as of yet.

Jess "Neurism" Farmer

Rollo's picture
If you have $25 to spare it is worth it.

Some great videos.