The no-cbet is a good one I think, that board hammers his flatting range. He has to do this a ton on the turn for it to be correct to continue, so I think it's best to just give up, even despite the read. Unpaired diamonds and weird 8x/9x don't form enough of a bluffing range for this river to be a call either.

Turn, and as played river too :)

Vs people who get really aggro on turns to checkbacks, what do you have as a checkback range on these type of boards?My default would be hands like this one, some draws, and some give-up air.The problem that I have is with hands like Ahigh and bottom pair.  I remember from the spamz HH review of maruchan that spamz talked about why not cbetting those hands is bad against a decent player (and I generally like it when people check those back vs me).  The problem is that if the player c/r's a lot we end up building big pots with very marginal hands.Cliffs, this is a spot where I'm burning money and need better thought processes for the ranges I set up and how I proceed.

Having ace high and bottom pair against an aggressive player is never going to be fun, period. It's really important to pay attention to his frequencies in terms of just how often he's check/raising and just how often he's stabbing turn, not just that he's been doing that. I agree that your default with bottom pair and ace high, especially on dry boards, should be to c-bet. On wetter boards, remember that it's OK to give up. The source of your discomfort seems to be that he's being aggressive so damn often, but not so often that it's actually correct to 3bet flop or just flat given how poor your equity is even vs a very wide c/r range. The way these players get hammered is because their frequencies are atrociously high versus your value range - that's going to be your big edge against them, even when it feels uncomfortable and like you're not adjusting well enough if you're just begging to hit something. While of course it's correct to expand your value ranges and call more turn leads and all of that, most commonly I see people fall too far into trying to make some big hero calldown for not enough equity-grounded reasons and more just "I didn't want to get pushed over". There's a reason maniac is not the correct strategy in HUSNGs, understanding that reason helps in reacting appropriately.Let's get some more HHs to talk about specific spots of whether to c-bet and whether to call turn leads versus aggressive players? I think that's the best way to do it for those interested.

Thanks that is actually quite helpful.  I definitely fall into the category of making hero/poor equity plays on the turn and river vs these players. I should have some HHs on my other computer, or I'll just play some matches and post as soon as it comes up.