Just one thing I want to comment on one thing because I don't want to give my thoughts on the hand until more people chime in.I'm an agressive player. I can't play cog Ds style period. I know I'm asking to get jammed on here in a Vacuum. I made a mistake in not posting how the match had gone thus far. I had been completely running him over until he coolered me in an all in hand and that's how stacks got to where they were. I had been 3xing the entire match and he was mostly folding preflop and on the flop he played pretty fit or fold. When I say fit I don't mean that draws aren't in his range but if he mostly whiffs the board, he doesn't make moves or float. So even at this point in the match 3xing and cbetting is still too profitable to pass up with ALMOST ATC.No he is not "super" aggro.In hindsight though, I think I should be 2xing for the end game.

I meant fit or fold to continue. Does it logically make sense for him to have a hand here? I ran into this again last night and I was on a particularly nasty run at the end of a 10 hour session playing shootouts and I didn't have a hero in me even though I thought to myself, it doesn't logically make sense for him to have a hand and I thought back to the responses in this thread so I was like screw it, I guess I'm beat. I tank fold and he shows Q high.I think spots like this are very important in poker to be more than just a 5% ROI player (which I'm not even, unless you count my bodog account but bodog doesn't count because everyone really really sucks).The logic in this hand from my perspective as I analyze his play on each street trying to read his hand goes something like this: 456 monotone flop, can I value bet 5 8 not suited with the board? Yes. A 4 might call but most likely overs with a diamond will float especially with a GS or OESD. What am I doing if he shoves? Folding. What hands does he shove? A 6 with a diamond, probably raises a straight, jams overpairs with or without a diamond. Then he calls. BTW this flop doesn't really hit his preflop calling range as he play 30% from the BTN.Next street, J. A little worried he might have this since some hand with 2 overs with a J of diamonds or something else might have called. If he leads, I fold. He checks, I bet/fold for value. I assume he will shove a Jack here as he almost certainly has the best hand and giving me a free card = bad. I bet he calls, probably drawing or I'm winning. I'm not going to bet river, there is no value unless I bink a 5.River comes a J. Now if I was still scared he might have binked the Jack this is MUCH more unlikely card removal wise. I'm ready to check back and take down a sizeable pot. He jams the river and I think WTF? According to my range analysis, he only has a busted flush draw in his range or a super slowplayed Flush (probably not a straight given the board) or a highly unlikely Jack. Is it time to become a hero?The more I see this line, of check/call, check/call, jam the more I see it as weak unless the draws get there. It becomes a very polarized situation IMO. For real, what does he expect me to call with? Has he just leveled me and taken a risk with a slightly better hand than mine or slowplayed a monster thinking I will realize how illogical this line is and call light? Or is he thinking f*ck my draw missed, the pot is huge and there is no reason why this villain (me) can't have a marginal holding that folds when he puts me to a decision for all my chips.Overthought? I thought this was a more interesting hand range analysis wise and thin value betting wise than you guys seem to be giving it credit for. Maybe not. I'll just go back to studying.

What he showed up with was how I read his hand exactly, well almost not dead on though. He had a Gutshot and King high Flushdraw ... K8. It just made sense. He was playing fit or fold, just passively. He should have shoved that flop IMO especially with the way I was playing. I think I recalled him floating with an OESD earlier. Seems kind of standard for most of these players to do that. That's part of their fit. Either I have a draw or pair or I don't.The thing that made this hand interesting was that even though he is fit or fold and I haven't seen him just shove a river into me before it was just that on that board there is nothing IMO that he could have that doesn't HAVE to fast play except a locked down Flush like K high or maybe Q high since I could be semibluffing with a draw of my own.I thought his float for a passive player was SUPER STANDARD for them. They make the mistake of slow playing a MONSTER draw aka  two overs a GS and 2nd nut FD. The entire hand I was thinking that this was the exact hand I was getting 2 streets of value against. Hence I have to shut down on the river BUT there are non made hands that I am FOR SURE getting value from, he can't be folding here. I sort of liked his play on the river because as I've seen discussing this hand with not just this forum but in my HUSNG group that players are NOT DOWN to call here. This bet makes them sh*t their pants even though NOTHING HAS CHANGED.Unless I explain my reasoning before hand, I have not gotten ONE respones that say call and most say don't bet the turn. Once the reasoning is explained most people are like Oh well yea I would call.  Not knocking you RyPac13 but its just an overwhelming majority can't see that almost no matter who the player is, It just DOESN"T MAKE ANY SENSE unless they are told before hand. I'll be sure to try and get a good description of the opponent next time, it just that when I made the call, I didn't even think about what type of player my opponent was, all I could think was THIS MAKES NO SENSE! Your hand is in my cookie jar.

Oh no RyPac13 you misunderstood me or I mispoke. I meant to say that I doubt that hearing my thought process influenced yours. I wanted to say you weren't just going along with it after I told you the reason I called and the results. Respect. Was trying to say that you didn't do that. I appreciate your response I thought I would just say something that might make a few people take a step back and reevaluate their notions. When pegged in a spot like this I think a lot of players would fold because they are under pressure to get it right and can't look at it from a logical point. When they have no pressure (they are given the logic with no way of failing) they feel its easy. I was saying I think a lot of players are incorrectly breaking hands down in their own mind and come in with a preconceived notion of a situation and that ,I, over a small sample size have only had people say Check turn, Fold river who haven't heard my thought process. And people who have heard my thought process all say call. Its just an interesting dynamic for getting an answer. I guess part of the reason for that is that people don't naturally break down a Villains Range and only can quantify Absolute Hand Strength and not Relative Hand Strength without taking into considerations that which I had available to me. Such as my own Range Analysis of Villain and probably vital stats like that he defends 30% that I didn't give so it could have been a fault of my own. Poker is a game that lends itself to illusions. For some reason I keep paying attention to not just the words that come out of people's mouths at this point but the word's that come out of their mouth under different circumstances. In short, poker is destroying my mind and my ability to communicate effectively.Basically someone might walk into this thread, see that you ,RyPac13, said its a call and in their mind their like, duh its a call, Rypac13 is the nuts, so easy. Can't believe this was a problem. But without you, the guy who they have respect for, a random player makes a call the play starts to look terrible. Their mind starts from there. Like 2 dollar SNG, guys a donk, he can't think about poker. Damn I really just can't stop. I should have never been a Psychology major.