Hi guys,I'm playing 20's on pokerstars.it I've starded hu sng 4 months ago on FTP (sn Zeitgeist85) I had good results so I'm trying to move up, my goal is to reach 50's by the end of the year.*** first LONG question *** (I hope this isn't too long, I don't want to abuse the thread)I've posted 22 HHs on a 2+2's thread, all from the same matchhttp://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/185/heads-up-sng/20s-long-review-how-m...I'm not asking the whole review, I'd like to know:- what do you think about hands 3, 5, 10, 11, 18, 22- which kind of notes would you take for a villain like that? I'm not so good on taking notes, unless I see some super weird move.
3 and 5 were fine, I think it's pretty rare for 10 to be correct, the c/r size is too big. gotta c-bet 11. Strongly dislike 3betting with 55 in 18, it's the worst play in the review (I skimmed it the other day once I saw you were going to be in the program). His calling range just plays perfectly agaisnt you with 50% equity in position and your expectation will be really negative with this sort of hand. I'd actually prefer a jam preflop to a non-allin 3bet, but think flatting is probably best this deep and given that we've seen different 2xing/3xing ranges which suggests his 3xing range might be stronger. I'm really confused by the whole review though as you have the button twice in a row a lot and stuff like that.Here's a good thread where people convince me not to make non all-in 3-bets with small pocket pairs:http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/58/heads-up-nl/100-sng-first-hand-so-y...In that hand we're deeper and it has more merit, but especially shorter like you were in this hand, it just plays really badly. I probably c/r small on flop on 22 but your line is reasonable.
"I'm really confused by the whole review though as you have the button twice in a row a lot and stuff like that."I've cutted many openfolds or fold pre
OK, but those make a big difference in how we play hands. Understandable though.
I spent about 20 minutes looking for a better convertion of my HHs, sorry but husng converter hates me :(Villain is a fish who limps 20% and openraise close to 50%, he cbet a lot and stabs a lot when I check, with draws or weak sd value. I generally donk this flop but given my reads I decided to check raise smallish to get value from lots of stuffs. what do you think about it?Turn I wasn't much scared by Ax (because the limp) but river, what would you do? check call? betfold? $10/$20 No Limit Holdem
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SB castiello2 $1294.00
BB Hero $1706.00
Effective Stacks: 65bb
Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players)
Hero is BB with hT sQ
castiello2 calls $10.00, Hero checks
Flop ($40.00, 2 players)
h9 dQ h8
Hero checks, castiello2 bets $32.00, Hero raises to $90.00, castiello2 calls $58.00
Turn ($220.00, 2 players)
sA
Hero bets $110.00, castiello2 calls $110.00
River ($440.00, 2 players)
d2
Hero
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$10/$20 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBcastiello2$1294.00 BBHero$1706.00 Effective Stacks: 65bb Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players) Hero is BB castiello2 calls $10.00, Hero checks Flop ($40.00, 2 players) Hero checks, castiello2 bets $32.00, Hero raises to $90.00, castiello2 calls $58.00 Turn ($220.00, 2 players) Hero bets $110.00, castiello2 calls $110.00 River ($440.00, 2 players) Hero
With the QT, I'd raise pre. It's a hand that dominates a lot of his limp/calling range and plays really well postflop, which makes it a great candidate for a 3x raise. What's the weakest hand you usually raise with OOP here?I'd generally raise the flop a little bigger - raising t58 making him need only 26% to continue in position seems pretty small. Turn size seems fine and I lean towards a t210 or so bet/fold on the river but it depends how stationy is and how much he gets induced when you bet small. The "bets at weakness" part does help the cause for a check/call against his missed draws but I think most of his range is worse pairs.
What's the weakest hand you usually raise with OOP here? I probably tend to raise Q9s+/K9s+/JTs+/QJo+/77+/A8o+/A7s+so QT is really close for me here, but yes given the fact he was raising his value hands I had to 3x it (is the 3x standard for punishing limpers this deep?)
3x is generally best with stuff that flops well and dominates a lot of limp/calling range, 3.5-4x with Ax worth raising/vulnerable pps/weaker hands etc where you want more money to go in pre and them to have worse pot odds when making the preflop call. If the player is stationy though 3.5-4x with everything can be best.Your range seems OK, QTo def needs to be in it, I'd also raise 55-66, Q8s, K7s+, J8s+, JTo, but it starts to get variable from there and does depend on his limping range. Very often it's correct to raise quite a bit wider than this if we know our opponent is rarely trapping and is just limping the hands that aren't good enough to raise.
early in the match, first donk bet. So far I cbetted close to 100% and he folded almost always. One time he c/c w/ 95o on a flop 357r (I had AQ) he lead out turn 8 and i called (which is so bad, I know) then he checked river Js and won the pot with 3rd pair.Sometimes I think that villain could be a bit "frustrated" and he doesn't want to check/fold or call 1 street. Is my call a bit loose on the flop?I think he would c/raise a lot with Qx given my image, but what about Kx?As played what would you do on the turn?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBsuperxiao881670 SBHero1330 Effective Stacks: 67bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 50, superxiao88 calls 30 Flop (100, 2 players) superxiao88 bets 60, Hero calls 60 Turn (220, 2 players) superxiao88 checks
Flop is fine I think. I would make a small turn bet to get value from his draws, do better against his air than checking, and keep the initiative against his Kx hands which allows you to get a free showdown against those rather than deal with a river lead when draws miss. Just something like t80 does the trick.
I've found a really interesting 3b pot in an old thread, I'd like to know what do you think about your play. Do you have any regrets postflop? Can you say something about 3betting KTo pre? No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$88 + $5 Heads Up Shootout Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1470 BBmersenneary1530 Effective Stacks: 49bb Blinds 15/30Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, mersenneary raises to 165, Hero calls 105 Flop (330, 2 players) mersenneary checks, Hero bets 120, mersenneary calls 120 Turn (570, 2 players) mersenneary checks, Hero bets 300, mersenneary folds Final Pot: 870 Hero wins 870 ( won +285 ) mersenneary lost -285
Sometimes I'm a bit confused about the "protect your equity" conceptEarly in the match, Villain seems having a wide calling range from bb, quite passive so far and not so good postflop (some weird mindonk e stuffs like that). Not any relevant infos to say he's a calling station.you open 2,5x he calls, pot is t100, stacks 1450 eachHE CHECKS and the flop is cbet looks fine for getting value from flush draws, Ax, small pp, random floats (JT/QT) but what about a flop like ?or or and is any different from K82cc ? And what about if you hold for the same scenarios an hand like ?
With the hand where opp had 97cc - it's a bit of a hero fold here against a player I really didn't give that much credit to be taking this line as a bluff (I was obviously wrong!). KTo can be good to 3bet as an expanded range for value against people who open a high % which this villain did. I don't really have any regrets postflop given what I knew before the hand, obviously I should have given a little more credit for creativity thinking backwards though.
KTo can be good to 3bet as an expanded range for value against people who open a high % which this villain did. This is probably a stupid question, but when you check oop KT on QTXss in a 3bet pot, would you ever check if you where the original raiser and he just flatcalled your raise? I don't think so, and I would like to know something more about it (again my doubts about the scenarios which I've posted above)
The "protect your equity" concept...Let's say we're on the turn with a weak made hand. We know 3 things about our opponent:1) He basically never has a better hand, and if he doesn't improve on the river, he's never calling a river bet.2) He doesn't bluffraise small turn bets.3) He very rarely bluffs the river. If this is the case, we're never getting value on the river, so the only thing that happens when we check is give him a chance to realize his equity and win the hand. There's no positive to checking. So even though we don't get value from anything by betting, it can still be best to bet when we think we have the best hand.Now, most of the times, it's not so idealistic of a setting like this. But there also factors that favor turn bets - getting value out of draws, or whatever. And the same can apply on the flop, which is what your question has to do with.The difference between those textures is how often you have the best hand, what draws there are to get value out of, how much we have to consider his c/r with air and c/r with draw frequencies, etc. I'm betting all of them without reads that our opponent likes to c/r wide, with the KT8 or KJ8 the biggest check back instead of the ones you listed.
It's just a stack size thing. When we c-bet flop he can raise/get it in with draws Qx and betting allows us to get owned by draws (I think if we bet it should be a bet/fold). His 3bet calling range is also significantly different than his "call a single raise" range which makes the situations incomparable for that reason too.
$10/$20 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players
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BBHero$1270.00
SBs1nn3rman$1730.00
Effective Stacks: 64bb
Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players)
Hero is BB
s1nn3rman calls $10.00, Hero raises to $60.00, s1nn3rman calls $40.00
Flop ($120.00, 2 players)
Hero checks, s1nn3rman bets $40.00, Hero calls $40.00
Turn ($200.00, 2 players)
Hero checks, s1nn3rman bets $100.00, Hero folds
Final Pot: $300.00
s1nn3rman wins $300.00 ( won +$100.00 )
Hero lost -$100.00
^ He's the kind of player who tries to win every pots, note on him: mindonkbet 3 streets with 3rd pair good kicker, triple barrel close to 100% with smallish size when he has weak sd value, minraise couple of times ip after limp when I stab. Would you cbet this board? If you do it, would you give up on the turn?
against the same guy, this is the 3rd time he 4x pre @10/20, no showdown for us, should I jam? should I 3bet bigger? s1nn3rman: posts small blind 10Zeitgeist85: posts big blind 20*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Zeitgeist85 [8d 8s]s1nn3rman: raises 60 to 80Zeitgeist85: raises 130 to 210s1nn3rman: calls 130*** FLOP *** [2h Qd Th]hero?
It depends exactly what you mean by "tries to win every pot" and how much you've seen him bluffraise as well as his limp/calling range. It's usually a flop c-bet but that can change. I'd usually check the turn unimproved. On this turn, though, I think you should be calling t100 given the implied odds of hitting your 10 outs.
he hates to check and when he bets he's doing for superthin value or bluff, I didn't see many bluff raise because when he minraised me I had cbetted with air and I folded
$10/$20 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players
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SBHero$1670.00
BBs1nn3rman$1330.00
Effective Stacks: 67bb
Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players)
Hero is SB
Hero raises to $40.00, s1nn3rman raises to $80.00, Hero calls $40.00
Flop ($160.00, 2 players)
s1nn3rman bets $60.00, Hero calls $60.00
Turn ($280.00, 2 players)
s1nn3rman bets $80.00, Hero raises to $300.00
Final Pot: $660.00
^ the question is: he's capable of bluffing or betting for value even the river with a 9x, is a flat an option here? or a minraise?
$10/$20 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero$1830.00 SBs1nn3rman$1170.00 Effective Stacks: 59bb Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players) Hero is BB s1nn3rman raises to $80.00, Hero calls $60.00 Flop ($160.00, 2 players) Hero checks, s1nn3rman bets $200.00, Hero calls $200.00 Turn ($560.00, 2 players) Hero checks, s1nn3rman bets $120.00, Hero calls $120.00 River ($800.00, 2 players) Hero??
I think given your reads, your turn raising size is too big, and I'd make it a bit smaller. I'd basically never flat without reads that he likes to bet small twice then bomb river with air.
^ is my hand strong enough to c/raise against him? should I lead river for value against weaker aces or king? lots of question i know, this player tilted me so hard :D
With ther AT, if you just call flop and turn, it's because you're expecting bluffs to follow. Otherwise raising both will be better.
Ty for the quick answers, you probably missed the 88 hands in 3bet pot (didn't converted) and in the last hand with AT I'd like to know if a donk bet of t300on the river would be better than a c/c
If you check/call turn it's because you aim to bluffcatch the river and not lead, otherwise raising turn (or flop) is going to be best.We need stack sizes for the 88 hand, can you convert?
$10/$20 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players
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BBHero$1550.00
SBs1nn3rman$1450.00
Effective Stacks: 73bb
Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players)
Hero is BB
s1nn3rman raises to $80.00, Hero raises to $210.00, s1nn3rman calls $130.00
Flop ($420.00, 2 players)
Hero bets $210.00, s1nn3rman folds
Final Pot: $630.00
Hero wins $630.00 ( won +$210.00 )
s1nn3rman lost -$210.00
in this kind of spots against aggro players I feel lost, If I check call I got raped by his further aggression, If I bet fold I got raped from his draw
In the QT hand, post # 6, where Zietgeist Cr's it seems fine because villian limped, but if villian raises an bets this flop doesn't that put in more hands in his range that are crushing us? Vs AQ, KQ, and QJ, we're 28%, and we're flipping vs a lot of his strong draws, so we can't really be happy if we cr and he shoves, in which case I'm assuming its a snap fold. So if he raises pre wouldn't ccing be the best option? or do you think we lose too much equity vs draws? allow them to get there etc?I think that 88 hand kinda sucks Zeitgeist, but I think its a standard bet fold. 88 is just to weak on a flop like this, checking we lose initiative and we'll often get bet off a hand. Even if villian is super agro a ton of his draws have good equity vs us and even a lot of his monkey plays are going to be crushing us. If you had A10, K10, J10, here though vs agro bet calling become right if he'll ship wide.
With the 88, I much prefer a bigger 3bet. With this size, you allow a ton of stuff to call pre for a great price that plays very well against your particular hand in position. A small c-bet or check can be best depending on tendencies, I think given what I'm hearing I'd just c-bet given his liking for trying to take away pots when weakness is shown.
I think c/c and c/r are pretty close with the QT if it were a raised pot, btw.
$10/$20 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBNOVELLINO266$1410.00 SBHero$1590.00 Effective Stacks: 71bb Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to $50.00, NOVELLINO266 calls $30.00 Flop ($100.00, 2 players) NOVELLINO266 bets $60.00, Hero calls $60.00 Turn ($220.00, 2 players) NOVELLINO266 checks, Hero bets $110.00, NOVELLINO266 calls $110.00 River ($440.00, 2 players) NOVELLINO266 checks Villain is fishy, he limps 20% and he opens from 2x to 7x but I didn't find a pattern so far (very few showdowns) postflop he floats a lot with middle or bottom pair but he also made a calldown twice with top pair, one time with T7 ona T562 board (with bad kicker so I know he doesn't check raise for info) he doens't seems so much aggressive.Is it a standard value bet? how many times we valuetown ourself?
$10/$20 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBNOVELLINO266$960.00 BBHero$2040.00 Effective Stacks: 48bb Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players) Hero is BB NOVELLINO266 raises to $100.00, Same guy, first hand @ 25-50. He limps about 20% minraise from 2x to 6x, he limp/raised from 60 to 260 @ 10-20. He folded to a shove after he opened 4x.
$15/$30 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBNOVELLINO266$1665.00 BBHero$1335.00 Effective Stacks: 45bb Pre-Flop ($45.00, 2 players) Hero is BB NOVELLINO266 raises to $60.00, Hero raises to $165.00, NOVELLINO266 calls $105.00 Flop ($330.00, 2 players) Hero bets $180.00, NOVELLINO266 calls $180.00 Turn ($690.00, 2 players) Hero checks, NOVELLINO266 bets $120.00, Hero calls $120.00 River ($930.00, 2 players) Hero checks, NOVELLINO266 bets $180.00, Hero folds Final Pot: $1110.00 NOVELLINO266 wins $1110.00 ( won +$465.00 ) Hero lost -$465.00 Same opponent of the hands above, reads in 3bet pot: I open ATo 50 -> he 3b 140 with 77 and he did a small cbet on a super wet QTJhh, I floated with AT and he check check turn and river.this is my second 3bet, first one he folded. I feel I've played this hand so bad but I can't recognize the best way to go here
With the 88 vs a fish, I do think we should bet small because the 7x in his range will outnumber the Tx/4x and he can also call with Ax/2x/worse pps. It's definitely thin, though.
I'm jamming the 44 against the villain you describe with all the random big raises pre and that he's shown he can raise big/fold pre. That makes a jam too juicy here to pass up given his frequencies and that overpairs are only 4.5% of hands.
I don't think you played the KQ hand so bad. I would check flop or bet smaller to accomplish what you want to accomplish is the only thing. On the turn I think it's fine to peel to such a small bet and river is a fold unimproved.
Yesterday I was playing a very high blinds HU against a 80% limper, stack 1500 each @ 75-150. He never limp/shoved yet but I was unreal card dead from the last 15 hands so I raised one time.I know he stabs 100%(half pot) when I don't steal What do you do from the BB with J4o/Q5o/T6s/96o/56s pre?if you check, what do you do if you totally miss the flop?
"Yesterday I was playing a very high blinds HU against a 80% limper, stack 1500 each @ 75-150. He never limp/shoved yet but I was unreal card dead from the last 15 hands so I raised one time.I know he stabs 100%(half pot) when I don't steal What do you do from the BB with J4o/Q5o/T6s/96o/56s pre? if you check, what do you do if you totally miss the flop?" Did he have a raising range too? If only limps, I probably jam T6s and 56s over pre but check the other three hands. If he has a raising range too I'd jam Q5o in addition.On the flop we have to contest against that % limper, you can stab on dry flops when you have some equity but not enough to check/call, you can check/raise. In general stabbing the right flops has worked best for me.
Yesterday I was playing a very high blinds HU against a 80% limper, stack 1500 each @ 75-150. He never limp/shoved yet but I was unreal card dead from the last 15 hands so I raised one time.I know he stabs 100%(half pot) when I don't steal What do you do from the BB with J4o/Q5o/T6s/96o/56s pre?if you check, what do you do if you totally miss the flop?
$10/$20 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero$1970.00 BBVikreale$1030.00 Effective Stacks: 52bb Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to $50.00, Vikreale raises to $140.00, Hero raises to $320.00, Vikreale calls $180.00 Flop ($640.00, 2 players) Vikreale goes all-in $710.00 Nothing relevant so far, some weird betsizing but nothing crazy, he has a fold button. this is probably his 3rd 3bet in 15-20 hands, I've folded always.Wrong 4b size right? I've snapped with AK, is it bad? he has J8dd and he won some hands later: $10/$20 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero$910.00 SBVikreale$2090.00 Effective Stacks: 46bb Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players) Hero is BB Vikreale calls $10.00, Hero checks Flop ($40.00, 2 players) Hero bets $30.00, Vikreale calls $30.00 Turn ($100.00, 2 players) Hero bets $75.00, Vikreale calls $75.00 River ($250.00, 2 players) Hero bets $250.00, Vikreale raises to $540.00I call, he has KQ later.... $15/$30 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero$1415.00 SBVikreale$1585.00 Effective Stacks: 47bb Pre-Flop ($45.00, 2 players) Hero is BB Vikreale calls $15.00, Hero checks Flop ($60.00, 2 players) Hero checks, Vikreale checks Turn ($60.00, 2 players) Hero bets $60.00, Vikreale raises to $210.00, Hero calls $150.00 River ($480.00, 2 players) Hero checks, Vikreale bets $360.00, Hero calls $360.00 Final Pot: $1200.00 Hero shows Vikreale shows a straight, Deuce to Six Vikreale wins $1200.00 ( won +$600.00 ) Hero lost -$600.00
I agree wrong 4bet size. It should be bigger to set the stacks up better on the flop. Plus, it's just a pretty small sizing, which you only should be doing with AK if you have reads you're going to induce more jams with that size.
35 hand is fine. Very interesting he didn't stab with his 64o on the flop, though. That means you should be donking rather than c/r as your main method of contesting limped pots. Just as an aside. If he's not betting six high there he's not betting a lot of other air.
"That means you should be donking rather than c/r as your main method of contesting limped pots. Just as an aside. If he's not betting six high there he's not betting a lot of other air." very helpfull advice. I think one of my biggest leak is that even if I see his tendencies I have to play a lot of hands to find the best way to react and adapt... what about J7 hand and what about calling on the flop with AK?
I usually bet river smaller with the J7 to target worse pairs, and would shrug and call a raise, not loving it but can't fold with the worse two pair combos and occasional Kx/worse draws.AK hand is OK to call flop but you def shouldn't be in that position with those stack sizes :)
I'm going to post some cbet/2nd barrel spot early in the match, Villain seems a thinking player on the tight side, do you generally 2nd barrel this turn? Not so may relevant reads$10/$20 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BB0o.TARGET.o0$1370.00 SBHero$1630.00 Effective Stacks: 69bb Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to $50.00, 0o.TARGET.o0 calls $30.00 Flop ($100.00, 2 players) 0o.TARGET.o0 checks, Hero bets $60.00, 0o.TARGET.o0 calls $60.00 Turn ($220.00, 2 players) 0o.TARGET.o0 checks, Hero checks River ($220.00, 2 players) 0o.TARGET.o0 bets $140.00, Hero folds Final Pot: $360.00 0o.TARGET.o0 wins $360.00 ( won +$110.00 ) Hero lost -$110.00
2nd hand of the match, first one he limped. J2o is my bottom range here, sometimes i fold pre. Would you fire again readless? $10/$20 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBkinokkio$1520.00 SBHero$1480.00 Effective Stacks: 74bb Pre-Flop ($30.00, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to $50.00, kinokkio calls $30.00 Flop ($100.00, 2 players) kinokkio checks, Hero bets $60.00, kinokkio calls $60.00 Turn ($220.00, 2 players) kinokkio checks, Hero checks River ($220.00, 2 players) kinokkio bets $220.00, Hero folds Final Pot: $440.00 kinokkio wins $440.00 ( won +$110.00 ) Hero lost -$110.00
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