It's information, but it's also specifically listed as cheating. I'm not saying I've never scoped someone during play, but especially actually running a specifically banned software, is just dumb. FTP is nice to only make something that they have explicitly banned and can prove you're constantly using a 2 day ban and not longer.I just assume everyone is terrible. ;)
haha yeah, they unlocked my account and im back to playing already, i agree its nice that its only this warning, but being realistic, are they really gonna ban someone who rakes 6K/month on avg, right now when all the americans are gone? im just gonna assume everyone is terrible as well from now on i guess :P
That bann sounds kinda scary to me. Did you use Sharkscope HUD or just the normal search engine?Thought it was kinda safe as long as you didn't use the SS HUD, guess I better be more careful.
The HUD.I've never heard of someone being touched for just using scope during play, except when they berate fish about their stats. Running the HUD is just dumb imo.
im always confused in these kinda spots, with 2nd pair when v shortNo Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero685 SBSlaycho27315 Effective Stacks: 11bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)Hero is BBSlaycho27 raises to 60, Hero calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero checks, Slaycho27 bets 60, Hero goes all-in 625, Slaycho27 folds Final Pot: 805 Hero wins 805 ( won +120 ) Slaycho27 lost -120
to jam or not to jam this river fairly readless, and when in doubt, do we jam or better to not jam ?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero480 BBPressyu520 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 40, Pressyu calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Pressyu checks, Hero bets 40, Pressyu calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Pressyu checks, Hero bets 80, Pressyu calls 80 River (320, 2 players) Pressyu checks, Hero checks Final Pot: 320 Hero shows Pressyu shows a pair of Nines Pressyu wins 320 ( won +160 ) Hero lost -160 No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converterSBHero480 BBPressyu520 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 40, Pressyu calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Pressyu checks, Hero bets 40, Pressyu calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Pressyu checks, Hero bets 80, Pressyu calls 80 River (320, 2 players) Pressyu checks, Hero checks Final Pot: 320 Hero shows Pressyu shows a pair of Nines Pressyu wins 320 ( won +160 ) Hero lost -160
mers, ive just been going through the appropriate minraise calling range pre 25bbs vs unknown any chance u could post a std open raise at 25/20/15/10bbs?
Not sure what you mean by a standard open raise - you mean what the average opening % is? It's hard to guess, I'd say somewhere in the 50s 20-25bb deep, and then below that it's just too varied with all the limps/openjams/etc to come up with a "standard".
some hand vs rumnchess we were playing some fun games idk wtf i did, i just know i have 2 pairNo Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero480 SBrumnchess520 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is BBrumnchess raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, rumnchess bets 40, Hero calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Hero checks, rumnchess bets 80, Hero calls 80 River (320, 2 players) Hero checks, rumnchess bets 220, Hero calls 220 Final Pot: 760 Hero shows rumnchess shows a straight, King high rumnchess wins 760 ( won +380 ) Hero lost -380
video is rendering, as promised!!!good stuff , 350s STs vs pass lefrancois (-1% roi at avg stake of 580$ while only sitting regs, i end hte sesh up 3K over 70 games +- )
Really cool stuff! I’ve watched the video in the gym, but I’ll watch it again next week, when I have more time:13:45 3bet to 95 with 53o. Imo it’s too weak for a 3bet, except he never calls a 3bet and only folds or 4bets. (If I understand your HUD right, he calls about 35% of your 3bets, so I would take hands, which can flop a bit better, like T7o, with which you did a 3bet later)15:47: J7o; board 997: I’m interested whether you would call a flop 3bet against him in this spot?21:12: A7o; board Q96: I think I would cbet or maybe bet the turn after checked flop. According to your HUD, he folds about 50% after a cbet and checkraises about 13% on the flop, so I like a cbet.?: I can’t find the spot but I think you openjammed Q9o for about 12bb. I think you also mentioned that pass called quiet perfectly openjams, so I would rather limp Q9o.
dno if i should call here mers, how do i decide this kinda spots??? :(No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero578 BBhendrix88xx422 Effective Stacks: 14bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 62, hendrix88xx calls 32 Flop (124, 2 players) hendrix88xx checks, Hero bets 63, hendrix88xx goes all-in 360, Hero calls 297 Turn (844, 2 players, 1 all-in) River (844, 2 players, 1 all-in) Final Pot: 844 Hero shows a pair of Fives hendrix88xx shows two pair, Jacks and Fives hendrix88xx wins 844 ( won +422 ) Hero lost -422
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$350 + $5 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBI just LOLd445 BBHero555 Effective Stacks: 15bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)Hero is BB I just LOLd calls 15, Hero raises to 75, I just LOLd calls 45 Flop (150, 2 players) Hero bets 75, I just LOLd goes all-in 370, Hero folds Final Pot: 595 I just LOLd wins 595 ( won +150 ) Hero lost -150
can u talk more about a 3xing range pre? ive never even considered it in STs like what do u 3x at what stack depths? and if u 3x are u always calling jam?
I fold flop against most, but calling can be OK. If we were deeper, you can actually 3bet the flop with this type of hand against this type of player. Once you call, it's not the worst turn card to get stubborn on, I expect he will continue with a lot of his bluffs. It's still very marginal and only a call if you give your opponent a lot of credit for being balanced. On the river, I would likely just fold, but it is a levelling game. It's a bad river to try to bluff on, which of course you'll both know...but in general, I just default to believing people don't bluff often on this card often enough. The ten on the turn also hits a decent bit of his check/raise bluffing range, as QT/JT/T9/T8/T6/T5s can be good to do that with.
yeah i would also fold flop against most but not against him, because he can definately be bluffing,a nd i think he outlevels himself enough in flatting some 7x as to not get me to fold and trap me with (something thats too weak to trap) eitherway i fucked around a bit in stove and;(on flop, just quickly stoved this, deffo something wrong with ranges tho, im just posting it here to redo it properly tomorrow when i can think more non sleepy bout it ; equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 51.417% 50.89% 00.53% 153162 1582.50 { 3h2h } Hand 1: 48.583% 48.06% 00.53% 144633 1582.50 { 44-33, A7s-A5s, K7s-K5s, Q7s-Q5s, J6s-J5s, T6s-T5s, 96s-95s, 86s-85s, 75s+, 65s, A7o-A5o, K7o-K5o, Q7o-Q5o, J6o-J5o, T6o-T5o, 96o-95o, 86o-85o, 75o+, 65o } i included a few 7x's just in case, but i still think flop is a call?) he isnt raising 7x on that kind of flops, (and also isnt raising 4x or 3x ) because it is dry and i dont think he thinks im capable of calling light or playing back at him on dry boards when he c/r's so ill let him get away with a bluff often on these kind of flops. and he never has overpairs (since he 3bets 77+) to me it seems like on flop, what is his valueraising range, like 56 and sets? so its like 56/sets/ some very rare Tx by river and his bluffing range is like 6x 5x so more combos of 6x/5x than of his valuehands equal call call call i think
well, everyone keeps asking me if im 100% certain, and vs a guy like this (thinking, somewhat balanced, and suffering from fancyplaysyndrome) its hard to say for sure, but i think IF he is raising flop, its mostly weighted towards monsters like sets / straights rather then weakish top pairs, so do u think the range i posted above, seems somewhat correct?
It's just really hard to use Stove for questions like this. He's raising the flop with 44 100% of the time. He's not calling pre and raising flop with 95o very often, but in this calculation, it's saying that he is doing it 100% of the time.
yeah ok, i agree, so if we think about the hand we can say, it is borderline ok, this one particular time maybe but folding flop will be optimal teh majority of the time?
That sounds about right. Remember that it's pretty much either going to be correct or it's not, one does have better expectation. I do think against the vast majority of opponents it's a flop fold.
The 98 is pretty much all about his barreling frequencies and is much harder to comment on without context. I can say that folding turn is best readless, but that obviously trader is a pretty active opponent. On the river, I don't think you can fold given your blocker and his activity, but again, there are definitely people i'm folding against without a second thought.KJ is perfectly fine, I very much like this sizing with your hand, as we've talked about before. On the flop, half pot is all that is necessary. nh. What were you not sure about on this hand?I fold or 3-bet pre with the 56o, I know I've talked about calling wider, but I suspect 56o might be a little too far. On the flop, I'd rather check/raise than check/call, and if you do check/call, you got pretty much the nut leading card on the turn. I actually ran this hand by Barewire and rumnchess, and the general thought was "I'm going to check/call with six high and just hope I get a good river card to lead on, then get a bad river card to lead on and do it anyway". They suspect you're getting looked up really light here and that your line doesn't make any sense for value hands (some heated discussion is going on about whether check/raising turn is an option).Jam pre with the AQ and it's not even close unless you have serious reads that he's 3betting a very nitty range, which I doubt. If he's 3betting wide, 4bet/call or 4bet jam are both options but I hate flatting with AQ, it's not the hand to do it with. As played, I'd usually be a little torn between flatting (which represents a pretty weak range) and raising (which won't induce much from bluff hands, but likely will get hands like 99-KK all-in). Against trader, I'd also usually flat because he likes to barrel. I like your turn bet when he checks.
yeah maybe important to note, first game ever, i sat him, because i thought it would be a good experience and id learn somethings perhaps KJo the thing is, i wasnt certain if it was strong enough to 3bet with, villain being fairly unknown to me, i wasnt sure if this was ideal. i agree on fold or 3bet pre with 56o, i often get carried away and flat too much pre and post for that matter, which makes me superexploitable, i think flatting too much is one of my main leaks.the thing is, knowing little to nothing about trader i dont like a c/r on the flop AT ALL i think there is too much he can 4bet me with, or jam over my c/r, which will screw me over really big and put me in insanely tough spots, when i do c/r this flop vs someone who flats a huge amount vs checkraises, i wouldnt mind a c/r tho, but here i dont feel like its best. on the turn i dont dislike leading, but i think if we have to do something else then c/c then i like c / jam more then leading the turn, because if he raises, it will once again, put me in a hard spot and on the river, i thought it was fine to bet, because i can rep some stubborn 7x that didnt wanna gii on flop and some flushdraws that called 2 streets as for the AQ the thing that makes my flat even worse is that it is the first hand of the match, and we havent played in turbos before, we have in sts, and in deeps, but not in turbos and not near enough for him to even remember me i think, so i shoulda just shipped over his 3bet i think... given its first hand of the match, and im so far ahead of his probable 3betting range... i still think the 56o hand is interesting and eitherway is close tho
Definitely 3bet KJo imo against people with a high opening frequency. There are some who would disagree with me here (SSS, for example), thought.Flush draws are very likely to c/r this flop, and with 7x you should be check/calling river and not leading.I still think your biggest issue right now is spazz. Spazz plays and then justifying them after the fact. I'd really really focus on fundamentals and on taking more time on each decision.
For whatever it's worth, I asked a bunch of players in the WSOP house about the 56 hand, and every one thought it was really suboptimally played, so I really don't think this is a situation where I think one thing and you think the other and we should agree to disagree.
ok so u would cr fold flop? or cr gii? and what about as played on turn? cr gii there? lead gii there? im really not certain what is optimal :) ive just been really struggling with when i do c/r getting small 4bet otf like i just lold does it a shitton vs me in sts, and its so freaking weird and hard to respond against it, like how do i even do it? overjamming the air i c/rd feeels dirty and prolly -EV if he ever 4bets flop with valuehands, and shoving 2nd pair etc also doesnt feel quite optimal so its a really hard spot im in, and im fairly unexperienced in it (getting 4bet otf)
"ok so u would cr fold flop? or cr gii?"Slow down and think it through. Recently you've been on the surface about a lot of decisions - darting in and out of complex thoughts and not doing so well at seeing the big picture (watch my most recent HUSNG video for more about this). We have a six high gutshot straight draw on a board with a flush draw 45bb deep. Naturally, we can't get it in against a flop 3bet.On the turn, I think it's close, but I'd usually lead and bet river.Regarding getting 4bet on the flop a lot, expand your flop c/r range for value, and tone down your check/raising range for bluff. If he's really doing it to you a "shitton", it significantly decreases the expectation from check/raise bluffing. Tone it down and force him to re-adjust.
i tried that, but i feel so weak when i just fold so many flops, and i cant really float that much vs him, because he double barrels me off alot of things as well i really feell ike im floating flop too much and sometimes turns, and then folding rivers, like im bleeding chips, ugh, i guess well see plenty examples of this tmw tho. cant see ur most recent video, dont have a husng sub anymore. here are some other things i wanted to ask u about! No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero560 BBrhartmanns440 Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 40, rhartmanns calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) rhartmanns checks, Hero bets 40, rhartmanns raises to 200, Hero goes all-in 520, rhartmanns goes all-in 200 Turn (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in) River (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in) Final Pot: 1000 Hero shows a pair of Sevens rhartmanns shows a straight, Eight high rhartmanns wins 880 ( won +440 ) Hero lost -440 and also, ive been going through HEM and this are my lifetime Stats (if u ever make the forum more publicly open plz delete this post!!! ) (well not lifetime, but this year , 50K hands) im curious if u can deduct anything out of this.or what it even means its mainly ST based obv. or w.e ill ask u tmw
on river its like, i think im good often, but dont have that many reds on the river, but just think his vrange is narrow, and his bet/calling range veryyyyy narrow / near non existant so instead of herocalling i decide to jamNo Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero505 SBdropey495 Effective Stacks: 17bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)Hero is BB dropey calls 15, Hero raises to 75, dropey calls 45 Flop (150, 2 players) Hero bets 60, dropey calls 60 Turn (270, 2 players) Hero checks, dropey checks River (270, 2 players) Hero checks, dropey bets 120, Hero goes all-in 370, dropey folds Final Pot: 760 Hero wins 760 ( won +255 ) dropey lost -255
It's information, but it's also specifically listed as cheating. I'm not saying I've never scoped someone during play, but especially actually running a specifically banned software, is just dumb. FTP is nice to only make something that they have explicitly banned and can prove you're constantly using a 2 day ban and not longer.I just assume everyone is terrible. ;)
haha yeah, they unlocked my account and im back to playing already, i agree its nice that its only this warning, but being realistic, are they really gonna ban someone who rakes 6K/month on avg, right now when all the americans are gone? im just gonna assume everyone is terrible as well from now on i guess :P
Probably not, no.
That bann sounds kinda scary to me. Did you use Sharkscope HUD or just the normal search engine?Thought it was kinda safe as long as you didn't use the SS HUD, guess I better be more careful.
The HUD.I've never heard of someone being touched for just using scope during play, except when they berate fish about their stats. Running the HUD is just dumb imo.
im always confused in these kinda spots, with 2nd pair when v shortNo Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero685 SBSlaycho27315 Effective Stacks: 11bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB Slaycho27 raises to 60, Hero calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero checks, Slaycho27 bets 60, Hero goes all-in 625, Slaycho27 folds Final Pot: 805 Hero wins 805 ( won +120 ) Slaycho27 lost -120
FOLD PREhave to check/jam when you hit middle pair.
i like the video idea, i'll make some embarassing super turbo videos on merge if you guys are doing it too.
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to jam or not to jam this river fairly readless, and when in doubt, do we jam or better to not jam ?No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero480 BBPressyu520 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, Pressyu calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Pressyu checks, Hero bets 40, Pressyu calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Pressyu checks, Hero bets 80, Pressyu calls 80 River (320, 2 players) Pressyu checks, Hero checks Final Pot: 320 Hero shows Pressyu shows a pair of Nines Pressyu wins 320 ( won +160 ) Hero lost -160 No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero480 BBPressyu520 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, Pressyu calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Pressyu checks, Hero bets 40, Pressyu calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Pressyu checks, Hero bets 80, Pressyu calls 80 River (320, 2 players) Pressyu checks, Hero checks Final Pot: 320 Hero shows Pressyu shows a pair of Nines Pressyu wins 320 ( won +160 ) Hero lost -160
posted same hand twice, apologiez
Gonna be close. Sucks that the diamond draw is on the flop as well. I usually jam I think.
ok but how exactly do you, while in game, figure out if its better to jam or not, fairly readless?
mers, ive just been going through the appropriate minraise calling range pre 25bbs vs unknown any chance u could post a std open raise at 25/20/15/10bbs?
With regard the "but how do you know?" question - it's a close spot. It's hard to know. I think jamming is best but I'm not 100% sure.
Not sure what you mean by a standard open raise - you mean what the average opening % is? It's hard to guess, I'd say somewhere in the 50s 20-25bb deep, and then below that it's just too varied with all the limps/openjams/etc to come up with a "standard".
some hand vs rumnchess we were playing some fun games idk wtf i did, i just know i have 2 pairNo Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero480 SBrumnchess520 Effective Stacks: 24bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB rumnchess raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, rumnchess bets 40, Hero calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Hero checks, rumnchess bets 80, Hero calls 80 River (320, 2 players) Hero checks, rumnchess bets 220, Hero calls 220 Final Pot: 760 Hero shows rumnchess shows a straight, King high rumnchess wins 760 ( won +380 ) Hero lost -380
video is rendering, as promised!!!good stuff , 350s STs vs pass lefrancois (-1% roi at avg stake of 580$ while only sitting regs, i end hte sesh up 3K over 70 games +- )
done leave comments here ;D https://rapidshare.com/files/2012622442/pass_lefrancois.mp4
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Really cool stuff! I’ve watched the video in the gym, but I’ll watch it again next week, when I have more time:13:45 3bet to 95 with 53o. Imo it’s too weak for a 3bet, except he never calls a 3bet and only folds or 4bets. (If I understand your HUD right, he calls about 35% of your 3bets, so I would take hands, which can flop a bit better, like T7o, with which you did a 3bet later)15:47: J7o; board 997: I’m interested whether you would call a flop 3bet against him in this spot?21:12: A7o; board Q96: I think I would cbet or maybe bet the turn after checked flop. According to your HUD, he folds about 50% after a cbet and checkraises about 13% on the flop, so I like a cbet.?: I can’t find the spot but I think you openjammed Q9o for about 12bb. I think you also mentioned that pass called quiet perfectly openjams, so I would rather limp Q9o.
dno if i should call here mers, how do i decide this kinda spots??? :(No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero578 BBhendrix88xx422 Effective Stacks: 14bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 62, hendrix88xx calls 32 Flop (124, 2 players) hendrix88xx checks, Hero bets 63, hendrix88xx goes all-in 360, Hero calls 297 Turn (844, 2 players, 1 all-in) River (844, 2 players, 1 all-in) Final Pot: 844 Hero shows a pair of Fives hendrix88xx shows two pair, Jacks and Fives hendrix88xx wins 844 ( won +422 ) Hero lost -422
Close spot, you need 35% equity, I would guess you have that, but it's close.
297/844 right?
Exactly.
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No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$350 + $5 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBI just LOLd445 BBHero555 Effective Stacks: 15bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB I just LOLd calls 15, Hero raises to 75, I just LOLd calls 45 Flop (150, 2 players) Hero bets 75, I just LOLd goes all-in 370, Hero folds Final Pot: 595 I just LOLd wins 595 ( won +150 ) Hero lost -150
I think 3x/calling is generaly best pre. As played I bet/fold as well. If we 3x I bet/call.
can u talk more about a 3xing range pre? ive never even considered it in STs like what do u 3x at what stack depths? and if u 3x are u always calling jam?
3x vs limp fish :)
aye lol, misread it apparently ;D
i suck at poker plz help meNo Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBbUllEtTooTH6661350 BTNHero1650 Effective Stacks: 45bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BTN Hero raises to 60, bUllEtTooTH666 calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) bUllEtTooTH666 checks, Hero bets 60, bUllEtTooTH666 raises to 180, Hero ????? Turn (480, 2 players) bUllEtTooTH666 bets 270, Hero ???? River (1020, 2 players) bUllEtTooTH666 bets 840, Hero ???? Final Pot: 2700
I fold flop against most, but calling can be OK. If we were deeper, you can actually 3bet the flop with this type of hand against this type of player. Once you call, it's not the worst turn card to get stubborn on, I expect he will continue with a lot of his bluffs. It's still very marginal and only a call if you give your opponent a lot of credit for being balanced. On the river, I would likely just fold, but it is a levelling game. It's a bad river to try to bluff on, which of course you'll both know...but in general, I just default to believing people don't bluff often on this card often enough. The ten on the turn also hits a decent bit of his check/raise bluffing range, as QT/JT/T9/T8/T6/T5s can be good to do that with.
yeah i would also fold flop against most but not against him, because he can definately be bluffing,a nd i think he outlevels himself enough in flatting some 7x as to not get me to fold and trap me with (something thats too weak to trap) eitherway i fucked around a bit in stove and;(on flop, just quickly stoved this, deffo something wrong with ranges tho, im just posting it here to redo it properly tomorrow when i can think more non sleepy bout it ; equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 51.417% 50.89% 00.53% 153162 1582.50 { 3h2h } Hand 1: 48.583% 48.06% 00.53% 144633 1582.50 { 44-33, A7s-A5s, K7s-K5s, Q7s-Q5s, J6s-J5s, T6s-T5s, 96s-95s, 86s-85s, 75s+, 65s, A7o-A5o, K7o-K5o, Q7o-Q5o, J6o-J5o, T6o-T5o, 96o-95o, 86o-85o, 75o+, 65o } i included a few 7x's just in case, but i still think flop is a call?) he isnt raising 7x on that kind of flops, (and also isnt raising 4x or 3x ) because it is dry and i dont think he thinks im capable of calling light or playing back at him on dry boards when he c/r's so ill let him get away with a bluff often on these kind of flops. and he never has overpairs (since he 3bets 77+) to me it seems like on flop, what is his valueraising range, like 56 and sets? so its like 56/sets/ some very rare Tx by river and his bluffing range is like 6x 5x so more combos of 6x/5x than of his valuehands equal call call call i think
If you don't think he's valueraising 7x, and feel very strongly about that read (willing to bet on it), by all means.
well, everyone keeps asking me if im 100% certain, and vs a guy like this (thinking, somewhat balanced, and suffering from fancyplaysyndrome) its hard to say for sure, but i think IF he is raising flop, its mostly weighted towards monsters like sets / straights rather then weakish top pairs, so do u think the range i posted above, seems somewhat correct?
It's just really hard to use Stove for questions like this. He's raising the flop with 44 100% of the time. He's not calling pre and raising flop with 95o very often, but in this calculation, it's saying that he is doing it 100% of the time.
yeah ok, i agree, so if we think about the hand we can say, it is borderline ok, this one particular time maybe but folding flop will be optimal teh majority of the time?
That sounds about right. Remember that it's pretty much either going to be correct or it's not, one does have better expectation. I do think against the vast majority of opponents it's a flop fold.
need linechecks... and detailed comments!!No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BTNtrader0811905 BBHero2095 Effective Stacks: 30bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB trader0811 raises to 60, Hero calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero checks, trader0811 bets 60, Hero calls 60 Turn (240, 2 players) Hero checks, trader0811 bets 155, Hero calls 155 River (550, 2 players) Hero checks, trader0811 bets 630, Hero calls 630 Final Pot: 1810 trader0811 shows Hero shows Hero wins 1810 ( won +905 ) trader0811 lost -905 No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BTNtrader08111130 BBHero1870 Effective Stacks: 38bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB trader0811 raises to 60, Hero raises to 165, trader0811 calls 105 Flop (330, 2 players) Hero bets 165, trader0811 folds Final Pot: 495 Hero wins 495 ( won +165 ) trader0811 lost -165 No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BTNtrader08111305 BBHero1695 Effective Stacks: 44bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB trader0811 raises to 60, Hero calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero checks, trader0811 bets 60, Hero calls 60 Turn (240, 2 players) Hero checks, trader0811 bets 175, Hero calls 175 River (590, 2 players) Hero bets 290, trader0811 folds Final Pot: 880 Hero wins 880 ( won +295 ) trader0811 lost -295 No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBtrader08111500 BTNHero1500 Effective Stacks: 50bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BTN Hero raises to 60, trader0811 raises to 180, Hero calls 120 Flop (360, 2 players) trader0811 bets 150, Hero calls 150 Turn (660, 2 players) trader0811 checks, Hero bets 360, trader0811 folds Final Pot: 1020 Hero wins 1020 ( won +330 ) trader0811 lost -330
The 98 is pretty much all about his barreling frequencies and is much harder to comment on without context. I can say that folding turn is best readless, but that obviously trader is a pretty active opponent. On the river, I don't think you can fold given your blocker and his activity, but again, there are definitely people i'm folding against without a second thought.KJ is perfectly fine, I very much like this sizing with your hand, as we've talked about before. On the flop, half pot is all that is necessary. nh. What were you not sure about on this hand?I fold or 3-bet pre with the 56o, I know I've talked about calling wider, but I suspect 56o might be a little too far. On the flop, I'd rather check/raise than check/call, and if you do check/call, you got pretty much the nut leading card on the turn. I actually ran this hand by Barewire and rumnchess, and the general thought was "I'm going to check/call with six high and just hope I get a good river card to lead on, then get a bad river card to lead on and do it anyway". They suspect you're getting looked up really light here and that your line doesn't make any sense for value hands (some heated discussion is going on about whether check/raising turn is an option).Jam pre with the AQ and it's not even close unless you have serious reads that he's 3betting a very nitty range, which I doubt. If he's 3betting wide, 4bet/call or 4bet jam are both options but I hate flatting with AQ, it's not the hand to do it with. As played, I'd usually be a little torn between flatting (which represents a pretty weak range) and raising (which won't induce much from bluff hands, but likely will get hands like 99-KK all-in). Against trader, I'd also usually flat because he likes to barrel. I like your turn bet when he checks.
yeah maybe important to note, first game ever, i sat him, because i thought it would be a good experience and id learn somethings perhaps KJo the thing is, i wasnt certain if it was strong enough to 3bet with, villain being fairly unknown to me, i wasnt sure if this was ideal. i agree on fold or 3bet pre with 56o, i often get carried away and flat too much pre and post for that matter, which makes me superexploitable, i think flatting too much is one of my main leaks.the thing is, knowing little to nothing about trader i dont like a c/r on the flop AT ALL i think there is too much he can 4bet me with, or jam over my c/r, which will screw me over really big and put me in insanely tough spots, when i do c/r this flop vs someone who flats a huge amount vs checkraises, i wouldnt mind a c/r tho, but here i dont feel like its best. on the turn i dont dislike leading, but i think if we have to do something else then c/c then i like c / jam more then leading the turn, because if he raises, it will once again, put me in a hard spot and on the river, i thought it was fine to bet, because i can rep some stubborn 7x that didnt wanna gii on flop and some flushdraws that called 2 streets as for the AQ the thing that makes my flat even worse is that it is the first hand of the match, and we havent played in turbos before, we have in sts, and in deeps, but not in turbos and not near enough for him to even remember me i think, so i shoulda just shipped over his 3bet i think... given its first hand of the match, and im so far ahead of his probable 3betting range... i still think the 56o hand is interesting and eitherway is close tho
Definitely 3bet KJo imo against people with a high opening frequency. There are some who would disagree with me here (SSS, for example), thought.Flush draws are very likely to c/r this flop, and with 7x you should be check/calling river and not leading.I still think your biggest issue right now is spazz. Spazz plays and then justifying them after the fact. I'd really really focus on fundamentals and on taking more time on each decision.
For whatever it's worth, I asked a bunch of players in the WSOP house about the 56 hand, and every one thought it was really suboptimally played, so I really don't think this is a situation where I think one thing and you think the other and we should agree to disagree.
ok so u would cr fold flop? or cr gii? and what about as played on turn? cr gii there? lead gii there? im really not certain what is optimal :) ive just been really struggling with when i do c/r getting small 4bet otf like i just lold does it a shitton vs me in sts, and its so freaking weird and hard to respond against it, like how do i even do it? overjamming the air i c/rd feeels dirty and prolly -EV if he ever 4bets flop with valuehands, and shoving 2nd pair etc also doesnt feel quite optimal so its a really hard spot im in, and im fairly unexperienced in it (getting 4bet otf)
"ok so u would cr fold flop? or cr gii?"Slow down and think it through. Recently you've been on the surface about a lot of decisions - darting in and out of complex thoughts and not doing so well at seeing the big picture (watch my most recent HUSNG video for more about this). We have a six high gutshot straight draw on a board with a flush draw 45bb deep. Naturally, we can't get it in against a flop 3bet.On the turn, I think it's close, but I'd usually lead and bet river.Regarding getting 4bet on the flop a lot, expand your flop c/r range for value, and tone down your check/raising range for bluff. If he's really doing it to you a "shitton", it significantly decreases the expectation from check/raise bluffing. Tone it down and force him to re-adjust.
i tried that, but i feel so weak when i just fold so many flops, and i cant really float that much vs him, because he double barrels me off alot of things as well i really feell ike im floating flop too much and sometimes turns, and then folding rivers, like im bleeding chips, ugh, i guess well see plenty examples of this tmw tho. cant see ur most recent video, dont have a husng sub anymore. here are some other things i wanted to ask u about! No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero560 BBrhartmanns440 Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, rhartmanns calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) rhartmanns checks, Hero bets 40, rhartmanns raises to 200, Hero goes all-in 520, rhartmanns goes all-in 200 Turn (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in) River (1000, 2 players, 2 all-in) Final Pot: 1000 Hero shows a pair of Sevens rhartmanns shows a straight, Eight high rhartmanns wins 880 ( won +440 ) Hero lost -440 and also, ive been going through HEM and this are my lifetime Stats (if u ever make the forum more publicly open plz delete this post!!! ) (well not lifetime, but this year , 50K hands) im curious if u can deduct anything out of this.or what it even means its mainly ST based obv. or w.e ill ask u tmw
That's a good example of a flop I'm checking or bet/calling for the most part, and usually, I'm checking this flop.
readless; linecheck No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero430 BBcarraech570 Effective Stacks: 22bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, carraech calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) carraech checks, Hero bets 40, carraech calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) carraech checks, Hero bets 80, carraech calls 80 River (320, 2 players) carraech bets 100, Hero calls 100 Final Pot: 520 Hero shows carraech shows three of a kind, Fours carraech wins 520 ( won +260 ) Hero lost -260 No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero200 SBcarraech800 Effective Stacks: 7bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB carraech raises to 60, Hero goes all-in 200, carraech calls 140 Flop (400, 2 players, 1 all-in) Turn (400, 2 players, 1 all-in) River (400, 2 players, 1 all-in) Final Pot: 400 Hero shows a pair of Aces carraech shows two pair, Aces and Fives carraech wins 400 ( won +200 ) Hero lost -200
on river its like, i think im good often, but dont have that many reds on the river, but just think his vrange is narrow, and his bet/calling range veryyyyy narrow / near non existant so instead of herocalling i decide to jamNo Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$200 + $3.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero505 SBdropey495 Effective Stacks: 17bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB dropey calls 15, Hero raises to 75, dropey calls 45 Flop (150, 2 players) Hero bets 60, dropey calls 60 Turn (270, 2 players) Hero checks, dropey checks River (270, 2 players) Hero checks, dropey bets 120, Hero goes all-in 370, dropey folds Final Pot: 760 Hero wins 760 ( won +255 ) dropey lost -255
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