ill post some more ones tmw, just played 20 ish games vs wywrot (won 3K$) got alot of interesting spots that i just thought were best, gameflow wise, not sure if ull agree tho
Both the A7 hands and the JTs hands are super standard, you should be able to tell me why they are really standard and any other option is terrible. If you think other options have merit, make the argument, and we can talk about errors in thinking there.I'd raise more pre with the A9, a lot of stuff can play extremely well against you in position limp/calling this size. River seems too FPS to me. Your like makes no sense and I don't expect him to be folding 8x.
i was just thinking with the JTs hand maybe flatting wasnt terrible, like im fairly unsure at 12bbs or less what to call and what to jam over tbh with the A7 hand i just feel like him donking into me is superstrong on the river, nevertheless, i dont think i can fold cuzz of pot odds without reads, just wanted to be sure A9 hand, fair enough :)
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$350 + $5 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero410 SBArchietheGreed590 Effective Stacks: 14bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)Hero is BBArchietheGreed raises to 60, Hero calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero checks, ArchietheGreed bets 30, Hero calls 30 Turn (180, 2 players) Hero checks, ArchietheGreed checks River (180, 2 players) Hero bets 110, ArchietheGreed is this a good river to bluff on?
I don't love your sizing, it's too big. you have no Ax in your range and 75 should c/r flop (so should Qx really), I'd actually just bet something quite small like t65 and hope he just decides to muck Kx.
mers! ive just played a monster session vs moca choca, weve played near 100 games at the 500$ STs point is, we are breakeven in EV over that sesison, and im up a little bit $ wise (ran hot in ai pots) however, do u have any general pointers concerning moca choca? i really cannot see an edge AT ALL !
I don't have too much on moca - pretty limited play against him. He's willing to adjust and make some moves but starts off from a pretty nitty foundation.
over the next few days im gonna multitable like 6+ 100s and try to learn how to play more unexploitable and then im gonna 1 table 350/200s after 2 days of doing the above while playing superexploitable vs fish, like bigger betting vs fish etc and then see what gives best results do u think this is a good idea?
For the answer to this question, we have a guest responder: rumnchess. Please give him your full attention and treat him as you would treat me (disrespectfully).Rumnchess:You sound like you are all over the place here. The entire frame of your question is misplaced. Poker is all about adjusting - constant adjusting and readjusting. Sometimes we want to play very exploitably - such as when we play a huge fish and we can value bet big and bluff small. However, even against such a player type, we should always be cognizant that he might be making alterations to his play - and we should be ready to recalibrate at any moment.Your idea of 6 tabling 100s (presumably regs) in order to learn to play unexplotiably is pretty fundamentally unsound. Playing against tough regs is tougher, and as such you should play fewer tables and focus more on each decision. "Unexploitable" and "superexploitable" are simply buzzword terms that hinder learning. You should never go into a match against an opponent focusing on playing one of these "styles". Instead, you should focus on playing good poker and making good decisions.If you want to try playing differnt player types, wait one month until I return from the WSOP and I will play you as 3 different players. We will play small stakes. In the first series of games, I'll play as a fish. However, each game within this series, I'll be a different type of fish. This is important because you seem to think that to beat fish you just play "superexploitably", which may be true, but you need to use different tactics to beat different fish. In the second series of games I'll try to imitate a "standard" multi-tabling reg at the 100s. We'll play lots of tables. In the third series of games, I'll play as myself. I'll focus hard and try to make the best possible decisions I can at every juncture.Hopefully what you will take from this is that winning at poker is not about adopting a "style". Instead, it's about making good decisions. Over and over again. It's about using information you gain in-game to adjust your approach to specific hands. Try not to simplify such a beautiful, artistic game such as poker. Delve into the inner depths of each decision and open your mind to the complexities of the game.
heh, very nice and motivational / inspirational post rmcim going to reply on it later today because i have an examination to attend in 1hr30 mins but for now, i just want to say im DEFINATELY down for playing those games, should be very interesting!
Fold pre. I just can't imagine the expecation of calling 86o is > -1bb. 86s I would jam pre vs Plauzee...my guess is he opens about 70% around this stack size and I doubt he is calling jams any wider than about 18-20% of hands (A5o+, A6s+, KJ+, 22+). 86s is a pretty easy jam then, and actually 86o is pretty close (definitely better than a call). Maybe Plauzee opens tighter, but I can't imagine him mr/calling lighter than that. ST's seem like a TERRIBLE game for his style.Postflop, I think c/r tp on such a wet board at short eff where you rep mainly draws is going to be decent. You don't rep a whole lot of real value hands when you c/r...mostly draws etc, so maybe he ships it a little light. After a check/check turn, his bet reps thin value basically...I don't think he is nearly creative enough to "fake-valuebet" or anything. Pretty easy fold vs him.
I used to think that too, but based on my numbers with similar hands like 87o, 97o, etc, I think you can justify a call pre. It goes against so much old school wisdom about not playing marginal hands OOP but I find the evidence in this article too compelling:http://www.husng.com/content/leak-plugging-do-you-call-too-tight-oopI think 3bet/folding is also a decent option against PlauZee, and probably a bit better. The bottom of your calling range makes for great 3bet bluffing hands especially when connected.Strongly agree with hokie about flop/turn/river.
i agree on everything, sorry i forgot to post thoughts in it... in retrospect i agree on everything, but yeah had some tables up, and didnt make the best decisions but i found river most interesting, because out of my experience i think its a river he can definately bluff with all of his air hands so i thought it was close, apparently not :)
It's a weird kind of "giving credit" we have to do here on the river for it to be a call. Basically, here are factors that would make it more of a call:a) a lower double barrel frequency for bluff - we need him to have checked air hands on a great turn to bluff again.b) a higher double barrel frequency for value - it helps if we know that he's betting Jx/8x/other made hands for value rather than doing something tricky on the turn/pussying out.c) the ability to turn Qx/Kx/Ax into a bluff on the river - check out his air range. It's basically 9x/7x/6x hands that failed to bet the turn. That's not a lot, especially with that qualification. So it really helps if we know he's not just lazily checking back his king highs and hoping they're good.d) him to not be a nit with unbalanced in favor of value ranges. This seems like "duh" but really most regs are this and most people fail to adjust accordingly.
interesting. i did read that article, but had expanded more with K6o/Q5o type stuff. vs a 2.5x/3x you will eliminate these type hands, along with some of the broadway/little suited hands (J5s)...right?? (the answer is obviously yes to me, but just want to make sure)
ill post some more ones tmw, just played 20 ish games vs wywrot (won 3K$) got alot of interesting spots that i just thought were best, gameflow wise, not sure if ull agree tho
Both the A7 hands and the JTs hands are super standard, you should be able to tell me why they are really standard and any other option is terrible. If you think other options have merit, make the argument, and we can talk about errors in thinking there.I'd raise more pre with the A9, a lot of stuff can play extremely well against you in position limp/calling this size. River seems too FPS to me. Your like makes no sense and I don't expect him to be folding 8x.
i was just thinking with the JTs hand maybe flatting wasnt terrible, like im fairly unsure at 12bbs or less what to call and what to jam over tbh with the A7 hand i just feel like him donking into me is superstrong on the river, nevertheless, i dont think i can fold cuzz of pot odds without reads, just wanted to be sure A9 hand, fair enough :)
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$350 + $5 Heads Up Sit & Go Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero410 SBArchietheGreed590 Effective Stacks: 14bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB ArchietheGreed raises to 60, Hero calls 30 Flop (120, 2 players) Hero checks, ArchietheGreed bets 30, Hero calls 30 Turn (180, 2 players) Hero checks, ArchietheGreed checks River (180, 2 players) Hero bets 110, ArchietheGreed is this a good river to bluff on?
I don't love your sizing, it's too big. you have no Ax in your range and 75 should c/r flop (so should Qx really), I'd actually just bet something quite small like t65 and hope he just decides to muck Kx.
mers! ive just played a monster session vs moca choca, weve played near 100 games at the 500$ STs point is, we are breakeven in EV over that sesison, and im up a little bit $ wise (ran hot in ai pots) however, do u have any general pointers concerning moca choca? i really cannot see an edge AT ALL !
I don't have too much on moca - pretty limited play against him. He's willing to adjust and make some moves but starts off from a pretty nitty foundation.
over the next few days im gonna multitable like 6+ 100s and try to learn how to play more unexploitable and then im gonna 1 table 350/200s after 2 days of doing the above while playing superexploitable vs fish, like bigger betting vs fish etc and then see what gives best results do u think this is a good idea?
For the answer to this question, we have a guest responder: rumnchess. Please give him your full attention and treat him as you would treat me (disrespectfully).Rumnchess:You sound like you are all over the place here. The entire frame of your question is misplaced. Poker is all about adjusting - constant adjusting and readjusting. Sometimes we want to play very exploitably - such as when we play a huge fish and we can value bet big and bluff small. However, even against such a player type, we should always be cognizant that he might be making alterations to his play - and we should be ready to recalibrate at any moment.Your idea of 6 tabling 100s (presumably regs) in order to learn to play unexplotiably is pretty fundamentally unsound. Playing against tough regs is tougher, and as such you should play fewer tables and focus more on each decision. "Unexploitable" and "superexploitable" are simply buzzword terms that hinder learning. You should never go into a match against an opponent focusing on playing one of these "styles". Instead, you should focus on playing good poker and making good decisions.If you want to try playing differnt player types, wait one month until I return from the WSOP and I will play you as 3 different players. We will play small stakes. In the first series of games, I'll play as a fish. However, each game within this series, I'll be a different type of fish. This is important because you seem to think that to beat fish you just play "superexploitably", which may be true, but you need to use different tactics to beat different fish. In the second series of games I'll try to imitate a "standard" multi-tabling reg at the 100s. We'll play lots of tables. In the third series of games, I'll play as myself. I'll focus hard and try to make the best possible decisions I can at every juncture.Hopefully what you will take from this is that winning at poker is not about adopting a "style". Instead, it's about making good decisions. Over and over again. It's about using information you gain in-game to adjust your approach to specific hands. Try not to simplify such a beautiful, artistic game such as poker. Delve into the inner depths of each decision and open your mind to the complexities of the game.
I strongly endorse this advice. Let me know if you have follow-up questions.-mers
heh, very nice and motivational / inspirational post rmcim going to reply on it later today because i have an examination to attend in 1hr30 mins but for now, i just want to say im DEFINATELY down for playing those games, should be very interesting!
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$196.66+$3.34 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBPlauZee450 BBHero550 Effective Stacks: 23bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB PlauZee raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, PlauZee bets 40, Hero calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Hero checks, PlauZee checks River (160, 2 players) Hero checks, PlauZee bets 100, Hero folds Final Pot: 260 PlauZee wins 260 ( won +80 ) Hero lost -80
Fold pre. I just can't imagine the expecation of calling 86o is > -1bb. 86s I would jam pre vs Plauzee...my guess is he opens about 70% around this stack size and I doubt he is calling jams any wider than about 18-20% of hands (A5o+, A6s+, KJ+, 22+). 86s is a pretty easy jam then, and actually 86o is pretty close (definitely better than a call). Maybe Plauzee opens tighter, but I can't imagine him mr/calling lighter than that. ST's seem like a TERRIBLE game for his style.Postflop, I think c/r tp on such a wet board at short eff where you rep mainly draws is going to be decent. You don't rep a whole lot of real value hands when you c/r...mostly draws etc, so maybe he ships it a little light. After a check/check turn, his bet reps thin value basically...I don't think he is nearly creative enough to "fake-valuebet" or anything. Pretty easy fold vs him.
I used to think that too, but based on my numbers with similar hands like 87o, 97o, etc, I think you can justify a call pre. It goes against so much old school wisdom about not playing marginal hands OOP but I find the evidence in this article too compelling:http://www.husng.com/content/leak-plugging-do-you-call-too-tight-oopI think 3bet/folding is also a decent option against PlauZee, and probably a bit better. The bottom of your calling range makes for great 3bet bluffing hands especially when connected.Strongly agree with hokie about flop/turn/river.
i agree on everything, sorry i forgot to post thoughts in it... in retrospect i agree on everything, but yeah had some tables up, and didnt make the best decisions but i found river most interesting, because out of my experience i think its a river he can definately bluff with all of his air hands so i thought it was close, apparently not :)
It's a weird kind of "giving credit" we have to do here on the river for it to be a call. Basically, here are factors that would make it more of a call:a) a lower double barrel frequency for bluff - we need him to have checked air hands on a great turn to bluff again.b) a higher double barrel frequency for value - it helps if we know that he's betting Jx/8x/other made hands for value rather than doing something tricky on the turn/pussying out.c) the ability to turn Qx/Kx/Ax into a bluff on the river - check out his air range. It's basically 9x/7x/6x hands that failed to bet the turn. That's not a lot, especially with that qualification. So it really helps if we know he's not just lazily checking back his king highs and hoping they're good.d) him to not be a nit with unbalanced in favor of value ranges. This seems like "duh" but really most regs are this and most people fail to adjust accordingly.
interesting. i did read that article, but had expanded more with K6o/Q5o type stuff. vs a 2.5x/3x you will eliminate these type hands, along with some of the broadway/little suited hands (J5s)...right?? (the answer is obviously yes to me, but just want to make sure)
Definitely.
would like my thread deleted also i feel obliged to inform you, i did not pay for this month, and still have acces.
Really sad to learn you're leaving, always enjoyed reading your posts.
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