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BustoFish's picture
Merge HUSNGs- attainable ROI and other questions

I'm new to HUSNGs, but have played up to 50nl 6max for a while.  After black friday i've deposited on black chip poker.  I have a few questions about merge HUSNGs and HUSNGs in general.I started with $40 two days ago and atm have a bit over $200 and am playing the 11.5 turbos.  I want to keep moving up as high as possible and to a degree as fast as possible (at least to a certain stake, then i'll slow down).What should i be aiming for as far as ROI goes for each level?  I play turbos mostly, but also some of their super turbos, shootouts, and occasionally reg speed.  In these what's a good ROI and how does it change as the buy in increases?When do HUSNGs typically get harder?  I'm sure fish sit at even the highest stake HUSNGs, but when will i be challenged on a regular basis?  I've just moved up to the $11.5s and i've only encountered one reg who was pretty exploitable.  If there's any higher stakes players who play HUSNGs above $11.5 level, how is traffic and are there consistently fish at levels $22 and beyond?   Thanks for any help i recieve with these questions.

RyPac13's picture
It's hard to give you an ROI

It's hard to give you an ROI to really aim for at each level, since breaking it down by level really makes most of the samples so small, you might have a 5% ROI at the $33s level and a 2% ROI at the $22 level and a 7% ROI at the $11 level then move to $50 and have a 6% ROI.  Maybe your total games could be 2000 at that point with a 4 or 5% ROI, but when breaking down by level you'll see it vary even more.That said, I'd aim for a 2-4% ROI in the super turbos at the $11-30 levels and probably 5-10% at the regular turbos.  You can probably achieve at least 15% in the turbos realistically, if you become one of the best (or the best) at any of the $11-30 levels.  You shouldn't see a lot of difficult players until at least the $50 level.  Once you hit $100 you see guys like Phmerc and bcm, guys that will likely play you no matter what your stats are, just to see if there's any edge.  Higher than that, and you'll run into those same two guys, but also other guys like Hokie or Primo.You'll see good players on Merge a bit lower than most are used to with Stars or FTP, that's because action is a bit slow at $100+, so regs cross sit a wide range of stakes (to give you an example, I think Phmerc sat $100-300 for his latest video and only got $100 action).Traffic will vary at the levels you play but shouldn't be too bad until you hit at least $50 (assuming you play the higher traffic times as most do, if you're playing off peak times your waits may be on the longer side at times).

BustoFish's picture
thanks for the info. Over the

thanks for the info.Over the past few days i started at the 6s and 4sup turbos and am now up to $600.  I've played a good amount of $23s and they seem very beatable and the $30ish level seems a bit harder, but still beatable.  I just took a shot at the $50s and there's definitley better regs there.Here's another very noob question i could probably find, but i'm feeling lazy so i'll ask it here.  What's a good sample size to find your ROI?  I know with cash games you need like 100k hands to start to get an idea of your ture winrate, but not sure how it works for HUSNGs.  ATM i have around a 10% ROI over 300 games or so.

dyb's picture
play with

play with http://www.husng.com/content/husng-variance-calculatorit all depends on type of games, if someone plays reg speed fair assumption would be that 1000 games is enough to get a clue, with superturbos i'd say 5000 to start with :)