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Full stacks Villain is limps,

Full stacksVillain is limps, Hero checks 7d6h from the BBFlop comes 4c5c3c I think the std play here is to bet out full pot, but what about overbetting like twice the pot? Regardless who we are playing what your thoughts on that?Let's think for a second about our Villain...If Villain is a reg, he could think we are trying to overprotect top pair, idk, maybe a hand like K5 o Q5... so maybe he could raise here with 2 two over + flush draw and stack off. Obv his hand against a top pair here has great equity, but obv he's not against top pair but a flopped straight... so we are leveling him a little bit, and we got extra value. I don't think we should care much if he would fold, because probably he wouldn't put other chips in the pot with a weak hand... so I think overbetting here is optimalIf Viallin is a fish, he could act like the reg above, also he could keep calling bets with marginal hands... so again we are maximizing the value...What your thoughts about that?

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I think the most important

I think the most important thing to note is that this is a limped pot. Almost all villains treat limped pots, raised pots, and 3bet pots incredibly differently because of how invested they are in them (limped pots, only 1 bb obv). The average villains stack-off range is just incredibly tighter limped than it is raised/3bet.That said, I think if a player is bad enough, I love love love overbetting this board like 1.5x pot or so because they will just have a ton of hand combinations that will want to continue...so you build the pot (and get them more invested), and they will inevitably stack off a lot wider by the river because of that.The problem versus regs is that it is just too transparent. Regs are not stacking off in a limped pot on the flop or turn on this board without a flush almost ever. It's too deep, it's just a 2bb pot, and it's too easy to get off hands. If a reg raises a straight on this flop it's essentially turning his hand into a bluff imo. Also, vs regs you are virtually never leading these big sizes on flops and I think it's good to be semi-consistent in your sizings a lot of the time (some exceptions, but this isnt one imo). So vs a super spewy fish, I like it. Versus most I don't like it. 

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Just to note...this is also

Just to note...this is also the reason there is so much value in being active in limped pots (stabbing a lot). The less invested the average player is, the easier he will give up. The opposite is true for 3bet pots. 

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Ok Hokie, obv what you said

Ok Hokie, obv what you said is correct, however, if you are Villain... and in that spot you got K5, what you would do vs an overbet?

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well, be careful considering

well, be careful considering just a few hand combos, maybe some villains will spaz hard with K5/Q5 there - but i think when you consider the full stack off range you really arent doing all that well vs it. also, i think K5/Q5 with the K/Q of clubs is what you will see most often when raised there.

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So... you would call the flop

So... you would call the flop and fold the turn? Or just fold on the flop? (with k5)

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call flop and reevaluate turn

call flop and reevaluate turn

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In your 33th vid a hand

In your 33th vid a hand happend between you and a think playerFull stacksBlinds 10/20 Hero       SB           (1430)                   raises to 60 Villain     BB           (1540)                   raises to 180 Hero 4bets to 390 Villain shoves You said people overshoves too much in these spots... against a thinking player you think is best to make a small 4bet because his 5betshove range is wider than his 4betshove calling range. Obv this does makes sense but even if he shoves bluffs, he would shoves bluff hands that we are flipping with like JT, even Q8 would be a flip. Obv in his range there are all the PPs, with crush four PPs while we are crushed vs other PP. So our 4bet doesn't induce anything good for my perspective... Am I missing something?

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hh 26   I didn't played this

hh 26 I didn't played this hand... I was waiting for my turn ans so I railbirded some minutes, when this hand comes up, I want to tell you only Cicho7'hand (K7hh) Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBgirex911260  BBCicho71740  Effective Stacks: 42bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) girex91 raises to 60, Cicho7 calls 30, GIREX HAS K7hh Flop (120, 2 players) Cicho7 checks, girex91 bets 70, Cicho7 raises to 210, girex91 raises to 390, Cicho7 raises to 570, girex91 goes all-in 1200, Cicho7 calls 630 Turn (2520, 2 players, 1 all-in) River (2520, 2 players, 1 all-in) Final Pot: 2520   I think the Cicho's flop c/r is std but what about Girex's 3bet? W/ no reads Girex line is strong... maybe Cicho should fold here.But he decided to 4bet, this line also makes his hand strong... but when Girex shoves I think it is a fold 100% of the times, seems there is no hand that we are beating right now, and I mean... we are crushed...What you think? (After you have replied I will tell you what the other opponent had)

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@Question from my 33rd vid

@Question from my 33rd vid about 4bet/shoving:It's interesting to look back at my thought process 6 months ago. I think there should never be a 6 month period in your career where you dont improve strategically...i would say their hasn't been for me. I was definitely on the right track with my thought process here, but I have a better understanding of what I was trying to get towards in that video now :)What I said in the video was basically: Non-all in 4betting will induce thinking players to 5bet shove a wider range (because the thinking player knows I am capable of 4bet bluffing). There is a lot more to mention about this than I go to in the video though, and some problems that can arise that I didn't realize at the time (I had leakz!):When facing a 3bet, we need to ask ourselves a series of questions...- Does villain 3bet wide enough and fold to 4bets enough to justify having a 4bet bluffing range? If yes, then we need to decide whether we are going to make a non-all in (non-committing) 4bet or are we going to just overbet jam.- Is villain the type to flat a non-committing 4bet?Many thinking players make the mistake of absolutely never flatting a 4bet from 180 to 340 at 1400 stacks. This is a huge leak. If they just would take their KQ/T9s/J8s/JT (assuming they think we are 4bet bluffing somewhat frequently)...it makes non-allin 4bet bluffing A TON harder for us because our 4bet bluffing range (weak AX/weak KXs/some 86s) continues terribly versus that flatting range. We will be a lot more inclined to not have a non-allin 4betting range then, and our bluffs will be more weighted to overbet jams with A2-A9 etc (card removal).So if he never flats, we can non-all in 4bet comfortably. If villain does flat, non-ai 4bet bluffs are going to have much worse expectation postflop and we will 4bet-jam with card removal more frequently.- Is it likely that villain thinks we are capable of non-all in 4bet bluffing?You can figure this out by the frequency/range that villain plays back at your non-ai 4bets with, your general perception of how he views you in other ways (does he think you are capable in a lot of spots postflop? then he prob thinks ur capable of 4bet bluffing). If villain does not think we are capable of 4bet bluffing, then we can be super exploitable and have no value in our non-allin 4betting range. We can weight our entire range to bluffs, and expect him to play fit or fold with his 5betting range since he doesn't know we are capable.If villain does tihnk we are capable of 4bet bluffing non-ai, then we need to be less exploitable and have a more balanced range for our non-ai 4bet bluffs (again, this is vs the typical villain that doesn't flat non-ai 4bets nearly enough). If villain truly never flats, and we can expect his 5bet jamming range to be wider than the norm, then my entire value range is non-allin 4bets - as well as a bluffing range to balance it. All of our hands, 55/AK/99/AQ/etc all play best versus the widest ranges possible. If he never flats, and our 4bet induces a wider 5betting range, then we will be doing better vs that range than if we just overbet 4bet shoved and get called by a slightly tighter range (villains 5betting range has fold equity).So...Are villains frequencies wide enough to 4bet bluff?Does he flat non-ai 4bets?Does he think we are capable?A lot of villains respond to 4bets differently. I used to adapt too liberally to this non-ai 4bet strategy. I made too many assumptions about my villains, when I had the +ev (but maybe not maxEV...but I didnt know that yet) option of overbet jamming for value and with card removal bluffs. I would prefer some more specific reads on my opponents today to adapt toward this strategy, but I believe if villains leaks allow you to do it - non-ai 4betting will be a very +ev way to exploit your opponents.

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K7hh railbird hand: Lol,

K7hh railbird hand:Lol, looks like a couple regs getting lost in the sauce!Ok, so I don't think that c/r K7 on that board is all that standard. If your villain perceives your c/r on that type board as bluffy and is willing to play back/be a hero a lot, then I like a c/r more than a call. The problem with c/r all our KX on this board (and K7 is all of our KX essentially), is that our check/calling range is HORRIBLE and we get barreled off super easily. If villain does not spaz vs a c/r on this board, the fit or fold range that he will continue with you don't even do that well against! (other KX+, flush draws). I would MUCH prefer a c/r bluff withe equity (A3/A5/AX with Ad/56/JThh/89hh type stuff). It's really important to think about what one range does to your other ranges. If you put every single decent hand in your c/r hand here, it weakens your c/c range way too much. Nothing wrong with that if being as exploitable as possible is your goal, but the problem for most players is that they aren't aware of how exploitable they are being by c/r here always.Anyways, as played:For the sake of discussion, let's say that Cicho assumes that villain views his c/r range on this board as very bluffy and that Girex will be willing to play back frequently. Also, Cicho knows that Girex isn't really the type to barrel 2-3 streets overly liberally, so c/c isn't that valuable anyways. He can be exploitable.So he c/r to induce and then, as he expects a decent amount of the time, he gets played back at. Now Cicho is lost (imo). I'm assuming his 4bet is him trying to turn the hand into a deeper level-fest and have Girex spaz out with his air, but I just think that is not realistic on this board. Cicho needs to understand that the range that Girex will continue with versus a 4bet, K7 is doing pretty poorly against (it's going to be flush draws with a pair, AXdd, sets, KX+ sooooooo much bc Cicho's line is just so strong). So the pretty clear option to me is for Cicho to take his K7 and turn it into a bluffcatcher at this point. check/call off stack on turn/river. Maybe in the future he will find that Girex will shut down his bluffs always once flatted in this spot, and then Cicho can make some huge hero folds when Girex continues certain turn cards. He doesn't have that read though, so at this point he needs to call off.I can see a reason for c/r flop, i can see a reason for Girex 3betting the c/r if its with a bluff, I think Cicho's 4bet is a huge mistake bc a bluff isn't believable anymore, and I'm assuming Girex jammed the range I mentioned above.If I'm wrong, shoot me.Hokie

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about the 4bet strategy...Many thinking players make the mistake of absolutely never flatting a 4bet from 180 to 340 at 1400 stacks. This is a huge leak. If they just would take their KQ/T9s/J8s/JT (assuming they think we are 4bet bluffing somewhat frequently)...it makes non-allin 4bet bluffing A TON harder for us because our 4bet bluffing range (weak AX/weak KXs/some 86s) continues terribly versus that flatting range. We will be a lot more inclined to not have a non-allin 4betting range then, and our bluffs will be more weighted to overbet jams with A2-A9 etc (card removal)Don't you think we should take in consideration villain flop tendencies? Yeah KQ/T9/JT etc are doing well vs our 4betting range... but, how many times they have to give up on the flop or on the later streets due to our aggresion?  About the railbird handGirex shows KQ... the last hand I though he would have

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IMPROVING EFFICIENCY

IMPROVING EFFICIENCY (scheduling and tweaking) I'm posting this in my thread but maybe we should open a dedicated thread... maybe some new ideas will pop up... should be really helpful, Hokie let me know what you think about it.AnywayOk, this month I feel different from the others, I feel more motivated... I want to train at the gym, go out more with friends, go on diet, wake up/go to bed at fixed times etc. In order to track my progress I writing down a schedule… this is not a rigid schedule… it contains some guidelines. Also this will not be my lifetime schedule, I will change it a lot, I’m just try to schedule my week and see how it goes, obv everyday I will write if I respect that schedule or not. Next week I will put the schedule in my organizer… in order to improve efficiency, right now, I’m just giving to myself some guidelines  My biggest problem is to have fixed sleep times... I'm woriking with this... right now it is the main problem, btw...   MONDAY Wake up 10 AM (breakfast/shower within 40 minutes) Study poker (watch vids or just post on FastTrack) Lunch Play 5 hours before 3 AM Complete all the misc tasks in the organizer Go to bed at 3 AM   TUESDAY Wake up 10 AM (breakfast/shower within 40 minutes) Study for university Lunch Play 5 hours before 3 AM Study poker (watch vids or just post on FastTrack) Complete all the misc tasks in the organizer Go to bed at 3 AM   WEDNESDAY Wake up 10 AM (breakfast/shower within 40 minutes) Study for university Lunch Play 5 hours before 3 AM Study poker (watch vids or just post on FastTrack) Complete all the misc tasks in the organizer Go to bed at 3 AM   THURSADY Wake up 10 AM (breakfast/shower within 40 minutes) Study for university Lunch Home exsercize Play 5 hours before 3 AM Study poker (watch vids or just post on FastTrack) Complete all the misc tasks in the organizer Go to bed at 3 AM   FRIDAY AND SATURDAY Depends... because some of my friends will come to visit my city so I can’t scheduleWake up at 10 AM Go to bed at 3 AM SUNDAY HolidayWake up at 10 AMGo to bed AT 3 AM     I also have some other task for this week: -         - Mix foods and try something new, I have bad habits… I really eat the same foods over and over again, and I eat junk obv, gonna change it for sure -         - Go out with non-poker friends -         - Don’t use facebook Also, I want to improve my overall efficiency tweaking some things... I'll show some examples DESKTOPLook at my desktop, I got 2 monitors, and every 15 minutes a new motivational sentence comes up, I will improve that by changing the colors in order to it more visibile... Also... I deleted all my random stuff on the desktop so it is clean now ORGANIZERI'm using a organizer... it is usefull to do many things... before of that I got a tons of post it on the monitors and papers all around my desk. Now I can organize better.... still a lot of work to do (like complete all the tasks) but... it is a good path for improving IMO JARED'S SPREADSHEETThis not belongs to Jared, but I create this in order to track my mental improvements... I didn't work hard on this spreadsheet... I mean, I done a great work on the other pages but not on the journal... I forgot to many times to fill it... I will improve also in this, building up my mental muscle. I'm basically record what tilts me... and I will try to avoid bad habits Ok these are just my ideas... about how can I improve my overal efficiency...Any thoughts ?

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Will post more thoughts

Will post more thoughts later, but I think that looks fantastic. Good work.

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Will post more thoughts

Will post more thoughts later, but I think that looks fantastic. Good work. K ;) btw, check also mine previous post... got a question and I reveal to you Girex's hand ;)

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hh 27 Villain were REALLY

hh 27 Villain were REALLY PASSIVE with trips  he c/c K78, c/c turn 4 and c/c river 7, he got A7Another hand when he had trips (but on the turn) played exact the same way c/c all the way downSo, when he made a move with the hand below I though I was good... since he's playing passively his strong hands... but I don't know, I'm overthinking too much against a fish here? Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1205  BBricki0202721795  Effective Stacks: 40bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, ricki020272 calls 30    Flop (120, 2 players) ricki020272 checks, Hero bets 60, ricki020272 calls 60    Turn (240, 2 players) ricki020272 checks, Hero bets 150, ricki020272 raises to 300, Hero calls 150    River (840, 2 players) ricki020272 bets 300, Hero calls 300    Final Pot: 1440    hh 28 No need to hide the results here1st hand, vs uknown... I elect to overshove instead of 4betting, reasons are, many times most uknown villains are 3bet/c (full stack) very wide, Ax sometimes, low pockets, KT etc. I'm not joking, the level pm ps.it is terrible. Btw let's talk a bit about my overshove.If villain is 3bet/calling that wide I can profitably jam and don't mind when Villian's crushing me.Most of my villains are not competent and tend to flat 4bets ATC and play fit or fold on the flop. So, if I 4bet and they call with A6o, the flops comes K58r they are c/f everytime, so I lost value, since they are also staking off wide pre.Now, I don't know if this play is correct, from what I said I think it is, but I think I don't remeber well when I overshoved and Villain folded... with hands that would call a 4bet with and c/f on the flop if they unimproved. So, my overshove could be wrong, I mean not wrong, but not optimal either...Any thoughts? Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1500  BBcris.k831500  Effective Stacks: 75bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, cris.k83 raises to 100, Hero goes all-in 1500, cris.k83 goes all-in 1400   Flop (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in)   Turn (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in)   River (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in)   Final Pot: 3000 Hero shows a pair of Nines cris.k83 shows a pair of Queens cris.k83 wins 3000 ( won +1500 ) Hero lost -1500  I didn't respect very well my schedule, I will do better tomorrowWake up 10 AM (breakfast/shower within 40 minutes)      woke up at 10,30... Study poker (watch vids or just post on FastTrack)         just posted here, I didn't study anything else Lunch Play 5 hours before 3 AM       played only 3 Complete all the misc tasks in the organizer      done expect for the total session lenght (5 hr) Go to bed at 3 AM       I'll do

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@ About the 4bet

@ About the 4bet strategy:The problem is just that if villain flats the type of range, he is going to pick up some kind of equity too often and almost all players who flat there are going to correctly stack off with just about anything at that point. Our 4bet bluffing range on the other hand (AX/KXs/86s) just does terrible vs that calling range, since the flops we hit (other than 86s) are our perceived range of AK/AQ type hands. So we will hit AXX/KXX boards, yes, but on AXX boards we get no value, and on KXX boards we either get no value or are dominated by a better KX a lot of the time. We just don't continue well at all post. Most importantly though, if villains would just flat this kind of range it just makes 4bet non-allin bluffing a ton harder at HUSNG stack sizes.

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Wake up 10 AM

Wake up 10 AM (breakfast/shower within 40 minutes)      lol ... 1 PM Study for university  didn't open a book Lunch Play 5 hours before 3 AM  played 6 hours Study poker (watch vids or just post on FastTrack)   watched 1 vid Complete all the misc tasks in the organizer    done Go to bed at 3 AM    4 AM

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Wake up 10 AM

Wake up 10 AM (breakfast/shower within 40 minutes)    11 AM Study for university   nope Lunch Play 5 hours before 3 AM   played 4 hours Study poker (watch vids or just post on FastTrack)      nope Complete all the misc tasks in the organizer    nope Go to bed at 3 AM     probably I'will try to do better tomorrow

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Over the past 2

Over the past 2 years, I have spent a LOT of time journaling/tracking daily goals like you are doing here (but in quite a bit more detail). I was such a failbox a lot of the time, but the important thing is that I kept pushing myself and learned from my mistakes. It's very unrealistic for you to expect yourself to go from not doing any of these things to doing all of them at once. So hopefully this month we can see some gradual improvements.I use to ask myself at the end of each journal entry, "Did I take a small step forward today?" That should be your goal. Don't try to accomplish too much, but make sure you are taking a small step forward at the minimum. Don't go backwards. Consistent small steps forward will lead to some serious results eventually.Basically, as long as you don't stop tracking results and working towards these daily goals - then I think you are on the right track.

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Over the past 2

Over the past 2 years, I have spent a LOT of time journaling/tracking daily goals like you are doing here (but in quite a bit more detail). I was such a failbox a lot of the time, but the important thing is that I kept pushing myself and learned from my mistakes. It's very unrealistic for you to expect yourself to go from not doing any of these things to doing all of them at once. So hopefully this month we can see some gradual improvements.  I use to ask myself at the end of each journal entry, "Did I take a small step forward today?" That should be your goal. Don't try to accomplish too much, but make sure you are taking a small step forward at the minimum. Don't go backwards. Consistent small steps forward will lead to some serious results eventually. Basically, as long as you don't stop tracking results and working towards these daily goals - then I think you are on the right track. Yeah, you are right Hokie... these great changes can't happen overnight, I know it... regarding the little step forward everyday... it's great, also Jared told me about that. It's a great way to motivate myself. Anyway, I really like your interested in this area... strategy is the main thing in the game, but the mindset and work ethic are really underrated... thanks to help us with these things  A few days ago I posted to hands, can you look at them plz :) ?http://www.husng.com/content/serverbtest002-theory-and-hhs-thread?page=2...  and now the hands of the day  hh 29 Villain is pretty spewy, he's 3betting a lot and he's never folding to 3bets. he's playing kinda a fit-or-fold strategy but sometimes he's capable of bluffing. The turn is pretty awkard spot imo,.. We should decide if he got the Ah or not, if he got it, we can't call because we don't have sufficient implied odds, instead if he got AT for example, we have immediate odds to call... so really the questions is about the Ah.In order to think about what we should consider?... some things that comes up to my mind are:- overall aggression- reads on how he play drawsAnything other than that? Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1160  SBRoyal_Fish841840  Effective Stacks: 39bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB Royal_Fish84 raises to 60, Hero raises to 150, Royal_Fish84 calls 90    Flop (300, 2 players) Hero bets 150, Royal_Fish84 calls 150    Turn (600, 2 players) Hero checks, Royal_Fish84 bets 210, Hero calls 210    River (1020, 2 players)   Hero checks     hh 30 Villain is uknown, is folding 40% of the times to my cbets, and he's A LOT aggro. Usually I', inclined to call and reevaluate on the turn, but most of the times Villain fires big on the turn and you are guessing imo... Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBRondo871646  SBHero1354  Effective Stacks: 68bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, Rondo87 calls 20    Flop (80, 2 players) Rondo87 checks, Hero bets 60, Rondo87 raises to 222, Hero folds    Final Pot: 362 Rondo87 wins 362 ( won +100 ) Hero lost -100    INTRO TO HAND 30 (Just to point out what the next villain is capable of)btw my flat is terrible I know Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1390  SBRoyal_Fish841610  Effective Stacks: 70bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB Royal_Fish84 raises to 40, Hero raises to 120, Royal_Fish84 raises to 260, Hero calls 140    Flop (520, 2 players) Hero checks, Royal_Fish84 goes all-in 1350, Hero goes all-in 1130    Turn (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in)    River (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in)    Final Pot: 3000 Hero shows a pair of Fives Royal_Fish84 shows a pair of Fives - lower kicker Hero wins 2780 ( won +1390 ) Royal_Fish84 lost -1390      hh 30 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBHero1330  BBRoyal_Fish841670  Effective Stacks: 67bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, Royal_Fish84 raises to 100, Hero raises to 240, Royal_Fish84 calls 140   Flop (480, 2 players) Royal_Fish84 checks, Hero checks   Turn (480, 2 players) Royal_Fish84 checks, Hero checks   River (480, 2 players) Royal_Fish84 bets 420, Hero folds   Final Pot: 900 Royal_Fish84 wins 900 ( won +240 ) Hero lost -240  Ok that's it for today, I'm not follow the schedule of my day :( but I filled the Jared's spreadsheet... so it is good.Overall I'm feeling GREAT, I want to play, I want to win, I want to make new friends, I want to bust my belly etc...feels good ;)    In your video versus Jovial Gent, there is a very interesting hand, about 18th minute with J9s.On the turn you are planning to openshove the river if a club hits, I think this is a good strategy but, maybe we can increase the ev of our bluff betting much less. You shoved 1130 into 540... what about betting 500 or a slight overbet like 600? Don't you think it would accomplish the same goal risking less chips, also it could be viewed stronger than a shove... idk, what you think?

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@ QQ: think about his full

@ QQ:think about his full range, not just the part of his range that this turn hits. when you lead this turn, there are still a TON of hands that you get value from. I would lead turn 300ish and call a jam. i expect a lot of combo draws to get induced into jamming here, when we do run into some 2 pair type stuff we still have decent equity. i'm not excited about bet/calling, but we don't need that much equity to get in at that point. i hate checking the turn and letting so much of his range that we dominate off the hook and give them free equity@ K9:villain's c/r size is pretty big, so I am probably not flatting and reevaluating as a lot of turns suck for us. also, the part of his range we are flipping with/ahead of (worse 9X, some combo draws) can shut down scary turns and we minimize our value vs them then. also with his big c/r size, it usually isn't super-strong hands that completely dominate you imo so I think you can rule those out of his range. I'm not excited about it, but I am jamming flop until I find a real reason not to.@ AT hand:super standard. never folding the flop.@ QQ:Cbet the AKX flop like 25% of the pot. Villains will virtually never continue air here. I'm too concerned that this particular villain will take his pure air and lead turns/rivers once you show flop weakness, and you have to fold at that point. I really doubt he continues on this flop with air vs any sizing. I'd just bet like 165ish to protect yourself.

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@ Jovial Gent: If I get

@ Jovial Gent:If I get caught and he sees my bluff, I can then overbet my value in the future and maximize value that way. I think it evens itself out.

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I hate poker :(

I hate poker :(

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what's going on?

what's going on?

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Well, rly tough week :(...

Well, rly tough week :(... keep running so badly vs a rly poor field :(Nevermind, I'm gonna do my best to improve... I will update you very shortly... This is my new journal, hoping to do better this week

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wow, i like the looks of that

wow, i like the looks of that a lot. way to go!

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I didn't post for a while...

I didn't post for a while... I will do in september for sure, expect a lot of questions and a lot of other's thread hijacking :P.This forum will be my home for the next month, since I will be reg war a lot, and def need to fix my leaks...Just a quick update of the table that I posted a few days ago http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/840/260820111427.jpg/ As you can see I'm doing a great job with my journal... I need to improve my efficiency but I will do it for sure.I banned a lot of distracting sites (hacking the host file in windows) and that prevents me to spend a lo of time lurking around for stupid things. I will keep you update and as I as before... expect a lot of questions and thread hijacking  

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hh 31 We got two reads:-

hh 31 We got two reads:- minbets weak holdings- bets 1/3 pot even on turn and river for bluff This is the first time he donks Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBsikanian1215  SBHero1785  Effective Stacks: 41bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, sikanian calls 30    Flop (120, 2 players) sikanian bets 60, Hero calls 60    Turn (240, 2 players) sikanian bets 90, Hero calls 90    River (420, 2 players)   sikanian bets 150 hero????      hh 32 Same villain as previous hand, but this hand happen eariler... We don't know obv his limping rangeMost of the times, I check behind 77 even if it is a strong hand, because Villain l/c too wide and if they catch a piece of the flop they will continue nmw Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBsikanian1450  BBHero1550  Effective Stacks: 73bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB sikanian calls 10, Hero raises to 80, sikanian calls 60    Flop (160, 2 players) Hero bets 120, sikanian calls 120    Turn (400, 2 players) Hero bets 220, sikanian raises to 440, Hero calls 220    River (1280, 2 players)  Hero checks, sikanian bets 380, Hero?       hh 33 Reads:capable of bluff25bb eff stacks, I limp he raises 4x and then fold to a shove, later on same action, he r/c KQ, so he is able to recognize gameflows3bets 3x with premiums (AA,AK)3bets probably less than 3x with other things, I don't know the range tho, I know only that he have 2 3bet sizings Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBgioia19711485  SBHero1515  Effective Stacks: 50bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 60, gioia1971 calls 30   Flop (120, 2 players) gioia1971 checks, Hero bets 60, gioia1971 calls 60   Turn (240, 2 players) gioia1971 checks, Hero bets 180, gioia1971 calls 180   River (600, 2 players) gioia1971 checks, Hero bets 150 (and is ready to snap an AI), gioia1971 calls 150     Theory question about adjustingsThis player plays a ton OOP, fold rarely vs cbets on the flop and bets often if I check behind. What kind of adjustments do you would make?I think minraising pre is optimal, and also I shoul tighten up my raising range. The question is on the flop, if I got value I should bet because he's not folding, but also, if I'm checking behind he would bet a lot of turns, so I got value anyway. I seeing now that he doesn't fold many times vs 2barrells (FTCB), so maybe a double barrel is better than checking a let him bluff, thoughts on that? 

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your journal is really cool

your journal is really cool to me. i might look into doing something similar for myself. will get to hands asap!looking forward to September

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will get to hands asap!   I'd

will get to hands asap! I'd just bump this in case you forgot ;)

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88 hand: really easy calldown

88 hand: really easy calldown for me. you only need to be right like 20% on the river. most players don't vbet their TX wide enough on this overcard river. also, people are bad at poker and do stupid shit. i wouldn't be surprised to see total air here quite a bit.77 hand: just fold the turn. when people click back your double barrels or make small turn c/r, the population tendancy is for it to be a RIDICULOUSLY strong range. i make such nitty folds here until i see reason not to (i catch them bluffing, or their frequency is just so high there is no way they have nut hands constantly). even if is making a play at you, you can't flat turn and really reevaluate any rivers. lots of 2 pair, straight combos make sense and you are virtually drawing dead to all of them. i'd rather call turn with AX than 77 bc at least we have some equity (not that i would call AX, just putting in perspective how easy of a fold i see this as).your flop/turn play looks good though.Q9 hand: looks really good to me. nice. Theory:I actually see 3x'ing as optimal. He isn't 3betting you much and is flatting too wide OOP. This means that he has a lot of marginal hands in his oop range and will have a hard time connecting to enough flops to continue well vs you. Tighten your preflop range a bit to about 70% of hands and 3x (you need to have more playable hands to continue well vs him postflop). Check back more of your total air on wet boards and try delay-cbetting turns or just giving up all-together more than you usually would. Weight your cbet range more to hands with equity or showdown value and barrel for value relentlessly. JThh on 732h would be a cbet, good backdoor equity - I don't mean never cbet air, just not stuff like 54hh on Q97. Keep in mind if he is flatting wide oop and not folding to many cbets or double barrels that he has a very weak overall range. It's very likely he is getting to rivers when you 3 barrel with a lot of marginal stuff, so even though it seems like he doesnt fold early in the hand I would still consider 3barreling boards where his perceived range is relatively weak. You can't play 50% of hands oop and hit boards constantly, he is going to have lots of marginal stuff. 

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 Keep in mind if he is

 Keep in mind if he is flatting wide oop and not folding to many cbets or double barrels that he has a very weak overall range. It's very likely he is getting to rivers when you 3 barrel with a lot of marginal stuff, so even though it seems like he doesnt fold early in the hand I would still consider 3barreling boards where his perceived range is relatively weak. You can't play 50% of hands oop and hit boards constantly, he is going to have lots of marginal stuff.  The real question is, is he willing to fold on the river? I don't really know the answer.Yeah you are damn right, he can't have strong holdings often, but since he doesn't fold to cbets and also on 2barrels, I don't see any reason of why he would fold on the river with any pair. Let's decide we are going to 3barrel, the river size would be really interesting imo. He's basically a huge station, so we want to fold his weak holdings... but what about the size? half pot bet is sufficient for make him fold or it is better a bigger size? I think that a bigger one should be better, because if he's calling many 2barrels, he doesn't give up easily so he could call a half pot river bet, while a bigger size could be more hard for him to call. 

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a lot of people will call

a lot of people will call flops and turns because they have equity and can still improve. on the river their hand is defined, combo draws didnt improve, etc. there aren't a ton of players out there that legit call off 3 streets with 4th pair - just weight a little more of your barreling range to value/equity but dont just assume that because they call cbets they call 3 barrels, thats usually not the case imo.remember when you bluff 350 chips into a pot of 500, for the play to be correct it only needs to work 350/850 or 41% of the time. sizing is board/range dependant. think about that. you shouldn't be valuebetting/bluffing the same sizes on all streets - have to consider other stuff.

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hh 34   no reads, I only

hh 34 no reads, I only noticed that he tanked a lot on the flop in this hand Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1580  SBmarygrace811420  Effective Stacks: 71bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB marygrace81 raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero checks, marygrace81 bets 60, Hero raises to 210, marygrace81 calls 150 Turn (500, 2 players) Hero checks, marygrace81 bets 240, Hero?

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are you available for 1on1

are you available for 1on1 coaching Hokie? I got one poker buddy who is interested...

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T9: i check/fold turn pretty

T9: i check/fold turn pretty comfortably. if villain is bluffing turn, most will be continuing their bluffs on rivers and we really can't make that call here. think about villains range a bit more: he really doesnt have any pure air in his range - everything either at least has a pair or better. i expect the hands with marginal showdown value (2pair or worse) to check back to get to a cheap showdown, and tons of straight combos in his range make sense. pretty standard c/f to me.i really like your big flop c/r size though. there are just a ton of hand combos continuing on this board, so a bigger c/r size will do really well.yes i'm available for 1-on-1. have him contact me at gtillerhokie@gmail.com

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yes i'm available for 1-on-1.

yes i'm available for 1-on-1. have him contact me at gtillerhokie@gmail.com.I just mailed you to ask you something ;)

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I didn't updated my thread

I didn't updated my thread for a while... I won't playing till monday so I will hijack a lot of threads in these days ... :P

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how's your month going? post

how's your month going? post some hands!

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you are right... i got some

you are right... i got some pc problems and I wasn't able to grind :(

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hh 34 Hand converted by the

hh 34 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1780  SBteamvolt1220  Effective Stacks: 61bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB teamvolt raises to 60, Hero raises to 180, teamvolt calls 120    Flop (360, 2 players) Hero checks, teamvolt checks    Turn (360, 2 players) Hero checks, teamvolt bets 180, Hero calls 180He is def a thinking player, I 3bets me a lot but he also seems competent postflop. He folded to most of my 3bets till now. I didn't bet the flop because he's so aggressive and if he would raise me I would hate life... Turn is one of the worst card for me, but since he's decent, he could feel weakness here and bet regardless his holding, and obv he could be his draws for fold equity. I called the turn because I thought he was a good spot for him to bet draws/week hands since I show weakness   hh 35 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBstefplay1750  SBHero1250  Effective Stacks: 63bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 40, stefplay calls 20    Flop (80, 2 players) stefplay checks, Hero bets 40, stefplay calls 40    Turn (160, 2 players) stefplay checks, Hero checks    River (160, 2 players) stefplay bets 120, Hero folds    Final Pot: 280Villain is a fish, who folds 50% against my cbets over a good sample. I think this type of guy is more inclined to call with his draws rather than play them aggresively. I think he's gonna bet only with straight and flushes... the main Q is, do you bet the turn?  hh 36 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBthecima1715  BBHero1285  Effective Stacks: 43bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB thecima raises to 115, Hero raises to 300, thecima calls 185   Flop (600, 2 players) Hero bets 180, thecima goes all-in 1415, Hero goes all-in 805 Villain is an aggrofish, he's 3bets me 30% over a good sample. What about my size preflop?My plan is to stack off even if one overcard falls, Once I saw tha flop I made that tiny bet because I want him to spazz out with a lot of stuf. Also there are 2 draws out there, I'm confidently stacking off here... most of the times against this type of villain         hh 37 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBvasca771675  BBHero1325  Effective Stacks: 44bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB vasca77 raises to 60, Hero raises to 150, vasca77 calls 90 Flop (300, 2 players) Hero bets 150, vasca77 calls 150 Turn (600, 2 players) Hero bets 240, vasca77 calls 240 River (1080, 2 players) Hero checks, vasca77 bets 750, Hero foldsVillain loves to bluff A LOT, I was planning to bet/call a shove on the turn, but it doesn't happen. Maybe I should bet bigger on the turn?

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QQ: i would 3bet a little

QQ: i would 3bet a little smaller with your JJ-AA/KQ/KJ type stuff, like t150. esp vs someone who is folding a lot - give him better odds to call with a dominated range.flop is a mandatory cbet, you are giving free equity to a bunch of stuff that you could get value from with a cbet. also, for the times that he bluff raises flops, he will be bluffing when checked to as well. sometimes you will be bluffed here, but it's not much imo. just cbet flop and reevaluate. their are a ton of hands that hit this board that we get value from.78: ya easy river fold, nice.turn i'm checking back. villain would have to be a huge station for me to bet, considering that we don't really get value from anything vs the average player by betting.TT: your sizings with QQ and TT are contradictory. QQ continues a good amount better postflop vs a wide flatting range thant TT, so with QQ we would prefer to be flatted by a wider range. so 60 to 180 with QQ, then 115 to 305 with TT doesn't make much sense :). i would prefer 60-150, and 115 to about 350ish.flop i'm definitely bet calling, nice.KJ: there is not many hands that you are beating on the turn, considering all the AX/flush combos. if you don't think you can fold vs this particular villain (check/folding is standard here imo), then i would much prefer check/calling or check/shoving to get value from bluffs from his QT/KT/floats. 

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KJ: there is not many hands

KJ: there is not many hands that you are beating on the turn, considering all the AX/flush combos. if you don't think you can fold vs this particular villain (check/folding is standard here imo), then i would much prefer check/calling or check/shoving to get value from bluffs from his QT/KT/floats.Villain shoves and shows 77 no clubs :( (obv I'm not result oriented... just for info)I thought my hand was good on the flop and I bet for value, on the turn I bet again for value and to protect my hand...We don't know if he would bet the turn if I checked, what about giving him a free card? I don't like it, but maybe there is some leak of mine here, can you explain a little better?

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looking at it again, i

looking at it again, i actually don't expect him to have many (maybe 0) AX combos, as most people are just jam/folding AX pre vs a 3bet. you still are ahead of JX, and giving a free card does suck - so betting looks ok to me taking all the AX i was initially considering out of his range.anyways, protecting against a free card when you have decent showdown value isn't reason enough to bet in a lot of spots. like if we have A3 on JT3 and cbet and villain calls, turn is a 7 -- barreling is terrible here bc of how much we valuetown ourselves, but if we are thinking "i dont want to give a free card" then it would seem we should bet - it's not reason enough though, we vtown ourselves vs a ton of hands, so i'd just be chekcing back there.if we had 3bet bluffed a hands like J4's here or something and were called, i would cbet the flop and check/fold the turn probably. you don't beat JX at this point, lots of flush combos make sense, and the only hands you are getting bluffed by possibly are KT/QT. so if our kicker didn't play as well, i'm just check/folding. 

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Fair enough ty ;)

Fair enough ty ;)

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hh 38 Hand converted by the

hh 38 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter SBClaphamSouth750  BBHero2250  Effective Stacks: 25bb Blinds 15/30 Pre-Flop (45, 2 players) Hero is BB ClaphamSouth raises to 60, Hero raises to 150, ClaphamSouth calls 90 Flop (300, 2 players) Hero checks, ClaphamSouth bets 90, Hero raises to 180, ClaphamSouth goes all-in 600, Hero calls 420I find out this Villain doesn't 4bet bluff (this read comes from other matches),  think my size is right for these stack sizes...Villain is tilted and calling 3bets ATC, my plan preflop was get in in even if an overcard falls...Right now, rereading the HH I think a cbet on the flop, a tiny cbet is better...however I decided to go for a minraise allow some room for some strange reshove from him

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bump

bump

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sorry posted a tonnnn today,

sorry posted a tonnnn today, still catching up. will update tomorrow.

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np, just to remind you ;)

np, just to remind you ;)

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