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maXX_CZ's picture
Site with 10% rake... play there or not?

Hello,im new here, but have to admit ure doing good job. My answer is simple. Is it possible to play on site with 10% rake? I play 1500 chips HUs but with 3mins structure. SnG is usually ~7 min, its faster compared to turbos on stars.I was wondering if i can be even better than breakeven (RB pro). What u think? Should i look for another site?Ty for any answer, gl @ tables ;)

RyPac13's picture
If you're under 50% rakeback,

If you're under 50% rakeback, I think you can likely do better.  Where are you at, Microgaming or Ongame?  If you really like the room and the players are very fish I can see getting away with 40% rakeback, but I wouldn't go below that, otherwise you're paying over 6% rake and that's just too high.

maXX_CZ's picture
:)

I got > 40 RB.The reason i was asking is, that even players who looks pretty solid are slightly loosing or breakeven (on sharkscope). I got - ROI so far, but im just learning this format. Used to play HU cash and im completely lost, when i have like 20 bb or less... thats why i am here.... ill give it a chance.May i ask you about some video who is dealing with this few BB endgame? I tried to find something but without much success, maybe some cash to SnG conversion videos were good, but most of things were clear anyway.Thank you.

RyPac13's picture
There are a few end game

There are a few end game videos in the standard membership from Mersenneary.Cog Dissonance and RyPac end game videos (hyper/super turbo) exist in the standard membership as well.Barewire and Skates did that hu cash to hu sng series, I believe you are aware of that though?There's probably over 20 videos from what I just mentioned above, all applicable to end game/short effective stacks.Also feel free to post in the HH review forum any hands or questions about shorter stacked play.

about3fiddy's picture
I'm at 56%ish winrate and 1%

As Rypac said endgame is really important because the structure is more superturbo then it is turbo minded! After 6 minutes of play, I will max be 30bb deep.

about3fiddy's picture
I'm at 56%ish winrate and 1%

I'm at 56%ish winrate and 1% ROI at Ongame. This is over 1000ish games at the 33s, and I have some tilt and some B/C game mixed in. EV adjusted is 1,7%. I feel like a 57-58% WR (2-4% ROI) is possible, but this is offcourse very hard to gauge.You will be slave to variance, if you don't have a RB deal. But a 60-100% RB deal at Ongame shouldn't be too hard to find. With such a deal 7-12% ROI shouldn't be impossible - even do I only come across 5-10 players with a +ROI (as u mention) - there can be alot of reason to this though.If you get to the 50-100$ level, I will find several players with 0-6% ROI (starting stacks 2000 instead of 1500). There is no timebank on Ongame, and u don't have alot of time to act per turn, so you get alot of hands per minut reducing the variance slighty.

maXX_CZ's picture
:)

Saw u in lobby, not sure... maybe we played once together. I am currently on 53% which is bad for sure, just learning this format.My goal is to beat rake, whisch seems to be possible. Lets seeTy for reply anyway. gl sir!

about3fiddy's picture
The differences between a 53%

The differences between a 53% and a 56% player is often minor, so if you keep learning u can def. beat the rake.I you want I can take a look at some of your handhistories.My play is by no means perfect, but then it can be an experience we both can learn from. 

FreakOfNature's picture
how can you get a 60-100% RB

how can you get a 60-100% RB deal at ongame? I'm on 30% at the moment here with husng.com - the affiliates they use, used to have a rake race promotion each month which was always easier to get extra but they stopped it a few months ago.I've played you a few times recently Maxx - you are smashing me at the moment you never lose an all-in :) You've played really well though too. I've played about 2.5k games now and am basically break even, but with the rakeback and the weekly leaderboard I'm making ok profits too but at the moment it's purely through RB and bonuses. If I can start making profits too from the games then I think I can build a nice roll ther pretty quick.

RyPac13's picture
Yea PM me where you get that

Yea PM me where you get that good of a deal because if people are giving out 60%+ then I will get that deal.I'm not as familiar with microgaming and ongame and they haven't been super popular signups here (versus say Stars or FTP or Merge or even Cake and iPoker), but I'll inquire a bit through the people I know in the industry about OnGame specifically and please shoot me an email fiddy with where you found yours so I can figure out the best place to get an OnGame deal like that (rypac13@husng.com).If 60% exists it is likely the only place out of the major sites (IPN/boss, ipoker, merge, cake, ftp) where we haven't had the best deals in the industry for awhile.  That's one thing I definitely pride us on, besides one CPA offer everything we usually promote and offer is best deal for the player, whatever that means on our end we live with.  Longterm I think that's best for our reputation and player retention.

Majaline's picture
20 + Ongame skins with over 60 % deals to start

On Ongame bonuswhoring is King.There is at least 20 skins offering 1.000 - 2.500 $ signupbonusses that equals 62.5 % RB, on top off that many skins have races, and a VIP schedule that can kick your RB up in the area off 100 %Many off the European based bookies like Betsafe, Betsson, Eurobet, Betfair etc. has those kind off deals.Im a member off a Danish pokercommunity who has deals with Betsafe, and Betfair (signup, VIP, and private races), and the admins speak very highly on those two skins.

FreakOfNature's picture
I was thinking that something

I was thinking that something more consistent was meant. I mean sign up bonuses are great but once they are done, they are done so can't be classed as rakeback again

RyPac13's picture
Ah, I understand. Our betsafe

Ah, I understand.Our betsafe deal is a bonus up to $2000, so I would say it is likely we have something like this too already: http://rakeback.husng.com/rakeback/betsafe-poker.html

about3fiddy's picture
The deals I'm talking about

The deals I'm talking about is exacly the deals Majaline is referencing.If I made it seem like some kind of consistent deal, I'm sorry about the confusion.