Hey its profitable to cbet at 15-30s dollar buy ins?Because from my experiences people NEVER fold to a flop c-bet...Especially paired boards people play tricky it doesnt matter whether its a fish or winning player...Also other dry boards people never fold...Is here some reg using "standard c-bets" at low limits?
Start second barreling if they always call you with junk. But be aware that you MIGHT think they're calling you with junk but they're just running good, so you need more evidence rather than 2~3 cbets that they didn't fold on a dry board. You're being results oriented imo, I play those stakes and although there are people who never fold to cbets regardless of board texture (they will call you with anything, obviously any pair but also any gutshot on a monotone board, gutshots with 2 undercards or whatever), there are certainly a lot of people who play much fit or fold and fold to cbets really a lot. I tend to cbet a lot as a standard (probably more than I should), but you need to know how to adjust if people just aren't folding.
High cbetting % is basically a universal trait shared by winning players in husngs.Now, it's certainly possible to do yourself damage by cbetting too much, but far too common it seems players are much too passive in the lower stakes games on the flop versus the other extreme.I like what siriusz said about firing two barrels, extend that to three against some players that call the flop and turn wide. Your flop cbet shouldn't be judged purely on "did he fold or not? what hand do I have? if it's value it was a good cbet, if he called and I have air it's a failure." You've got three streets to make a loose player fold, don't make his job too easy by letting him off the hook simply by calling one street wide.
Hm two barrels...Its hard to do things like this for me...Because if villain run hot then he looks even more loose and aggro...So in these matches if I would two barrels like you said then I can easyly busto and throw my pc out of the windov...This scary me:)And Ryan people are not passive they are aggro more and more and they want to win every pot...But maybe just my photo or screen name irritate them to play like retards against me.
Certainly cbetting 85% against an aggrotard who never folds and is always playing tricky against you is not the best idea. You need to learn how to adjust (and probably how to identify players' tendencies also, because definitely at these stakes the aggro type of player you describe is NOT how the average player looks like). Probably a more polarized cbetting range against this type of player is a better strategy.
I'll limp a fair % of hands so I don't bluff my chips off vs fish who don't fold, the FE just isn't there. Mostly build pots when u got a hand. Exploitable but fish don't catch on to quick and you can mix it up when needed.
thats one problem of me too. I started grinding and testing a bit at 5 dollar sngs i play a mix of lag and tag but there are so many callingstations out there is it better to limp some marginal hands like 10/8? or 5/6 against them instead of raising?
Depends what kind of calling station they are. If they call 2-3 barrels light, then you avoid bluffing in all but the highest fold equity spots (and if there really are none, don't bluff, but keep your eyes open, it's rare that there is never a good spot to bluff any player).But a lot of guys call cbets super light and then fold the turn or river with their wide range of hands (and the range is weaker usually bc they call the flop with too many hands).If you're feeling like you push things too hard and too fast early in a match vs unknowns, think about minraising your button at 50-75bb, many pros actually recommend doing that as it is, though I think particularly for somebody who is feeling a bit overwhelmed and confused against relatively unknown opponents early on, it can be a great benefit.
its not cbetting thats probably getting you in trouble, its your hand reading abilities and utilization of other streets to create folds. if your just looking for a fold on the flop when you cbet then your missing the point on why cbetting is so effective and why good players do it with such a high frequency.
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Also one thing you got to keep in mind is your image... Once you get caught bluffing early on a couple times, bluffing becomes less effective: 'you're bluffing all the time'. People will call down way lighter obviously. Usually I take it slow early on so I'll get more credit.The other way around is true aswell I call down way lighter vs some opponents that are very aggressive and capable of making bluffs that don't make sense.The thing you really want to do is finding out if you're up against a station who you can easily beat by building some big pots with good hands. If that's the case you should stay away from big bluffs as your ROI will suffer. Another thing that you should keep in mind is that some fish will play their stronger hands too passive which make their range stronger than you expect. Bluffing vs those opponents is something you should avoid, because they are looking to extract value from your bluffs mainly and don't valuebet or raise themselves. The thing I'm saying is if you can't barrel a whole lot, you should cbet less aswell. If that's the case limping more is a good idea. But as stated by RyPac if there's a bunch of FE on later streets that can become very profitable. I agree it depends on the opponent. I would take a cautious route early on in the match tho, because it's a disaster to bluff off half of your stack vs a fish.
Thanks guys!MastAAce08 you are right I am terrible at hand reading.I am allways struggling with ranges of my opponents.There is a lot of things what I still have problem with.Still cant recognize whether villain is running hot or he is a crazy bluffer.And this is pretty frustrating for me...My only one options is risk whole stack if I want this information sometimes and its not obvious that villain will accept rematch at low stakes...This is not a problem if I hit a strong enough hand but how often I hit such a strong hand?I cant wait 100 hands for example...It would be great to see some videos from best low stakes players here...For example from spcspc.Because in videos from highstakes players playing low stakes its allways "its easy to beat low stakes".No its not easy to beat low stakes for me if it would be easy I am not watching those videos...
We have guys that play and beat the $50-100 levels regularly making some videos.If we go any lower, it's just too hard to find a reliable player and solid video maker that is very good at levels below $50 but does not play any higher (as most solid players that can articulate a winning and valuable thought process usually play at least at $50, though not always).We do have a large number of leakfinders from the $5-30 level as well, so between $50 and $100 players playing low stakes (and even their higher buyin videos, especially against average to fishy opponents) and the leakfinders, you should be able to directly apply a great deal of the standard membership videos to $5-30 level games.
I've beaten every stake level on my way up to 100s on Bodog and I assure you that all the concepts and adjustments in higher stakes videos are no different.BTW: I did cbet most times at lower stakes too.
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alot of hand reading is gonna come from experience. when i first started i would make alot of bad calls just because i didnt know what people had. but you learn every time you make a bad call weather or not people are strong in certain spots and you develope feeling for it after thousands and thousands of hands. its ok to not play "perfect" poker (not like there is such a thing) when starting out, its more important to learn from your mistakes, figure out why they are bad, and not repeat them.
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I dont know I feel like I am not doing things differently than people in videos but I have no results at micros and low stakes.People dont want to call me or bluff me if I am strong...But they call me with bottom pair 3 barrels if I bluff.Its not variance because I have played 4k games.I must be most predictable idiot in the world...I dont know what to read or watch or where to find the "right" informations
Don't be so hard on yourself. No learning can happen without many mistakes. My totally unbiased opinion :P is to get coaching from someone that went through all the levels you have and can relate to your games and thought processes.
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