No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBHero1215 BTNmememe6631785 Effective Stacks: 61bb Blinds 10/20 Pre-Flop (30, 2 players) Hero is BB mememe663 raises to 40, Hero calls 20 Flop (80, 2 players) Hero bets 40, mememe663 calls 40 Turn (160, 2 players) Hero checks, mememe663 checks River (160, 2 players) Hero bets 160, mememe663 calls 160 Final Pot: 480 Hero shows mememe663 shows Hero wins 480 ( won +240 ) mememe663 lost -240 This fish know how to increase my variance even more:(
I don't know why this is frustrating. I also don't know why you didn't bet the turn and the river. There's a fair chance that if any of any of his cards hit he's going to massively overvalue them given that it's reasonably unlikely that you have an ace, never mind a full house. I think you missed loads of value (perhaps this is what's frustrating you? But then it's hardly the fishes fault if you're missing value).
It should be standard all in at the flop...What you dont understand?My turn play was not standard play yeah...
I don't think you should shove on the flop if that's what you mean, I think you should bet every street though and try and get maximum value out of your hand as it's basically unbeatable. But if you just mean that it's the type of hand you want to try and get all your chips in pot on, then I definitey agree.
Umm, its not standard for the villain to go all in on the flop... if it is your standard, you lose. Think about it, what hands is he getting value from when you donk out and he raises and you jam all in? mostly hands that beat him. He probably should have bet the turn and called your raise, I agree that it was bad on his part to check the turn but it looks like he had a read on you that you are strong when you donk.Maybe he should have min raised on the river as an optimal play and then thought about folding to a shove. Maybe. I don't know, I am not in his spot.You missed a chance to stack your opponent by 1.) Not check raising the flop. 2.) Betting half pot instead of 3/4 - full pot. 3.) checking the turn.The only person you have to blame for not stacking your opponent or getting loads more value is yourself. Looks like his read on you was good and he played the hand well against you. I'm just going to assume he had a read on you. I am not trying to just blatantly degrade you for your mode of thought. I really think that you can learn a lot from this hand besides the fact that you are trying to tell yourself the reason you didn't stack your opponent in this hand is because he sucks and this game is frustrating. P.S. You come off as very arrogant in your reply to agressionware's response. He was trying to let you see the light and you basically shut him out and tried to act like the way this hand turned out was not your fault at all. Basically it means that you posted this hand just to complain about the "fish" you play and how they "increase your variance" by calling with weaker hands than yours instead of stacking off.
My donk bet was based on game flow (I donked few times before some dry boards) and checked turn some hands,he bet I fold...So I thought that he can think I am weak if I check turn so I can induce bluff or some bet if he have a 5 or some other pair...Its unlikely he have an Ace...If he have an Ace it will allways end up in all in and there is a thousands of ways how to do it...But not if villain have a such read on me of course...:) PS: this was arrogant - "Umm, its not standard for the villain to go all in on the flop... if it is your standard, you lose." - "He was trying to let you see the light" - "Basically it means that you posted this hand just to complain about the "fish" you play and how they "increase your variance" and this I have already on my wall written with a big letters- " You missed a chance to stack your opponent by 1.) Not check raising the flop. 2.) Betting half pot instead of 3/4 - full pot. 3.) checking the turn."
Checking the turn to induce a bluff is fine assuming he is always floating you but a value bet is far superior. Check raising the flop is far superior to donk betting it and a 3/4- full pot bet is far superior to a 1/2 pot bet given your hand strength is untouchable and you miss tons of value because on the turn the size of the pot has barely increased so you are more limited on the size of your bet. A 5 will not value bet here. There are no hands besides a flush draw (which normally won't call a turn bet) that it will be able to extract value from. I'm an arrogant person. When people try to help me out though, I don't write a response that basically shoots them down unless I can articulate why they are wrong. Your ridiculous response to agressionware's attempt to help you really set me off. Getting it in on the flop is actually probably +EV for villain even though half of the aces he is against are beating him + 55 because there are some megafish that will stick in a flush draw here everytime. I do not think it is an extremely +EV play for him to get it in on the flop and if you can't see why, I can't help you.
Just a reminder, many people have said over the years that they appreciate the no flame/full content nature of these boards. Keep that in mind moving forward, I deleted the last three non content posts.As for the hand:Everybody cbets that type of flop, check raise on the flop and go from there (with an eye on aggression on the other streets).
Hey Ryan sorry for my post.You can delete everything here if it is necessarily.My standard play here on the flop is check raise but I had some history on this villain so I played this hand not standard...I didnt want to be arogant but those people was talking to me like with some retard (I also dont know nothing about arh7rf or which stakes he is crushing)...I posted this hand as crying post but also imo as a very interesting hand (how passive some villains can be).
It's no problem, I'll leave the hand up, can't hurt.