Why does JTS only post the upswing part of his graph and not his recent struggles on his coaching page?
In a time when like every 2nd thread on 2plus2 is about some scam the level of transparence, truthfulness and trustworthiness must be at its highest. In my opinion HUSNG.com has a responsibility to make sure these three points are essentials of every of its coaches (page).
Marzipannase
Admin Note: This comment was moved from JTS video 2 (hyper turbo series video 1)
Valid concerns.I asked JTS about his Stars graph when he gave me the text and images to post on his coaching page. He has prior results on Stars from HEM that he doesn't have access to, so he felt it would be more appropriate to display his Full Tilt results on the page.Note, that he did list both screen names on his coaching page, so the information is there for anybody to check out.However, in hindsight displaying the FTP graph and listing the Stars sn is probably not a clear enough picture on first glance for the page, so I'm having JTS add a few sentences about his Stars results on his main coaching page, mentioning his downswing specifically so that users are aware on first read and don't have to look into his screen name to see those recent results."In a time when like every 2nd thread on 2plus2 is about some scam the level of transparence, truthfulness and trustworthiness must be at its highest. In my opinion HUSNG.com has a responsibility to make sure these three points are essentials of every of its coaches (page)."I think these are also fine points to raise.My main priority and goal when assessing a new coach is to make sure that they have the knowledge and capability to bring value to the members of this site. In doing so, I've discussed JTS with a great deal of top players in this game, from Mersenneary to Serkules and many, many others (you can see some players listed in his coaching thread that gave testimonials as well, and I've personally verified that those were indeed real quotes that the players stood behind).In addition to that, we also have viewed a few sample videos that JTS gave us prior to his first free video. And we also started with a free video to allow any HUSNG player that cared to watch and comment to give us feedback. It all resulted in the overwhelming view to us that JTS is a hyper turbo player with a lot to offer members.Let me know if there are any outstanding issues on this. I'll get JTS to add to his coaching page and discuss on that very page his Stars results so that it is more transparent to the community. That is one mistake I think I overlooked due to the focus on the value of the content to the members, but the appearance and presentation is also important, as you reminded me with your feedback.Thanks.
Was never my intention to mislead people or steer em in the wrong direction If you feel wronged or misdirected I apologise and i appreciate your input/feedback Going to add a few sentences about recent stars results as soon as possible.GL in the future
Don't mean to harrass or anything, nor I really care of your results (even the greatest players can have weirdest downswings), but Pokerstars has an option to request tournament history. It gets emailed to you, you copy paste it in txt file, and import the file in HEM. That way you won't have any holes in your graph/stats, etc.
1 month since your post and I dont see any changes to your coaching page. Your still only presenting your good results and the users have to dig to find your recent (meh) results. So now its fair to ask if its really unintentional to mislead people. We already have enough shadiness in the poker world. We need less.
Marzipannase
Thanks for bumping this.When this discussion previously was started, I temporarily just put both his screen names in his coaching listing and bolded them, planning to add that sentence or two once I got with JTS about it.I haven't spoken too much to JTS in the last month though, the videos he did were all done over a month ago at once just about and he hasn't been around nearly as much as he had been all summer.In any case, I've now added a bolded sentence at the top of his coaching listing making it clear he's down 18k on PokerStars in hypers post black friday and that his sn is jacktshipper, so now with two bolded instances of screennames being mentioned, I think that is sufficient due diligence for any student to get the correct idea of his results.Let me know if you have any questions. The presentation/format of that listing might change once JTS has a look at it, but until then we'll leave it as it looks now and make sure that any changes don't "hide" any results or anything like that.
Actuall he lost $35K on PokerStars post black friday, not only $18K. He reset his stats on Sharkscope, that's why you can see "only" 18K of his loss. Here is his full graph:
^ Thanks Pagergo. Corrected his coaching page.
He also blocked his results recently. So no potential student has the possibility to look him up on scope or topshark.I really don t want to be the grinch here, but the FT graphs absolutely hightlight the coaching site. The 1 sentence about his post BF results gets easily overread, altough the sample size is larger than his results on FT.
What? This is insane, i did not block my results !!Maybe someone else did it without my knowing if that is even possible?But i think being down 35K (less with rakeback but ok.)and leaving it unblocked all the time (exept for resetting on stakers demand, only on one website tho) proofs that i dont mind showing my stats. I disagree it is even bolded! on top of that i am still up over 60K in 2011, so im not sure why somehow everyone wants to just forget about that and makes me look like i lose money hard
My intention is not to make you look like you are a loser but its imo necessary to show the whole truth, good and bad equally and that was just not the case.Your coaching ad looked like some of the commercials where they show all the good stuff with big pictures and letters in all length and the part that shows that it possibly kills you or that you need to sell your soul is in teeny tiny letters for a split second barely readable.
Marzipannase
I thought about your last statement again. Nobody forgets about your Fulltilt results. But you really cant just ignore that some things changed this year and you have to look carefully on effects. Its a new environment post Black Friday with Fulltilt gone and many went to Pokerstars. So its imo at least fair to ask (no statement): Is JTS really able to win in this new environment?And thats why its necessary to show both results equally. Every possible student should have the fair chance to come to the conclusion that he needs to ask this question and answer it for himself.
Marzipannase
Hey Marzipannase, Do you think the current coaching ad of his is fair now, with his screen names having been bolded and with the addition a few days ago of a bolded line near the top of his ad that says he is down 34k since black friday on Stars?The reason I ask you is because I think you've made some fair points here and I want to make sure you feel this setup is fair.I don't like the criticism or having to spend time on an issue like this when I could be doing other things, but it's certainly not your fault (if anything it is mine). To give you an idea of my perspective... I look at the testimonials on his coaching page, the players that gave those meant what they said, and those are four very good players in their own respect. I know JTS has had a lot of Mersenneary coaching previously, particularly early this year. I know he plays a lot of volume, a few tables are up often, and it doesn't explain all the volatility between a great FTP ST graph and a much worse Stars one (it's the same structure/competition is similar, etc.), but his videos have been well received both publicly and in my private discussions with pros/regulars. So when I see him only winning half his games, of course it's disappointing that he's not crushing the games, or winning currently as I figured he would be soon when his first video came out, but I also think a graph is a very generalized way of looking at the quality of a coach here. If you look through our videos page, you can of course find guys with straight up profit graphs, but if you look at everybody's graph without their names and line them up from "most popular or celebrated or respected" to lease, the pattern of their graphs would not be evident in those rankings. So I don't like to see this stuff when I think he's adding value to the site. It could easily be a misstep/mistake on my part, and that's fair game. But to be clear, I look at what value can be added to this site and what that value costs, and if it's a positive value for an affordable price, I add it (or a huge value addition for a more expensive price... to be clear I don't think anybody has ever made an awesome video that we couldn't agree to terms on with).The coaching pages are really just a bonus/extra benefit to coaches. They make their own ads/pages, they update them when they want, they deal with students, keep 100% of the money they make there and the market of students will quickly tell you what your price means (high demand, low demand or most likely something in between). I do agree that things should be advertised fairly, so if his ad ends up being unfair, it needs to be changed, removed, etc. But I really want to hear objective comments, not pile on anger, personal disputes or the type of mentality prevalent on anonymous message boards. We're small enough, and we should be civil enough, to engage in a conversation about JTS coaching page and ultimately presence on this site. Tell me what you guys want and why, I'm here to make the site a better place for members, I'm laying out my thought process so please tell me what you guys think/want.
At the request of a few members, I've added a PokerStars graph to the beginning of his coaching page. Please continue to give me any feedback that you have, either publicly or privately, it is appreciated.
JackTheShipper sent this to me earlier.Obviously it would've been great to have seen this earlier, I think it would've prevented the type of discussion that we had here from ever occcuring, but it is what it is.For what it is worth, I did feel some valid points were raised and good things came out of this discussion.Anyways, here's JTS Stars Graph that I'll be adding to his coaching page. Puts things into perspective a bit.
Cant see anything almost. How many bi over how big sample. (intrested to know how long the stretaches can go on for since its going pretty rough for me too)
The results show -30k in profit over 10k games or so, and +10k in EV during that stretch.If anybody wants a higher res copy of the chart just email or PM me, we have an auto resizer on the site though.