Do you think that's it maximum +ev to shove let's say A2hh 30bbs deep against a wide opener or would you say that flatting would still be best against for arguments sake a 85% opener?Do you think the merits of  let's say a villain levelling himself/barreling  on Ace High boards outweigh the merits of us shoving prebecause we have a whole bunch of fold equity argument.?yes, imo jamming any AX is maxEV vs an 85%+ opener at 30 stx. i think if you estimate that the cEV of jamming an A2o type hand vs a wide opener is close to the cEV of flatting (i.e., 27bb stx 77% opener) - then the postflop benefits you mentioned could probably make A2o better as a flat. it's hard to quantify though, and i'm hesitant to forego typically maxEV decisions unless I have a pretty clear reason to.

In reference to the 95s hand before where I 3bet jammed the button was opening for 80% after 34 hands. Obviously against this opening frequency I'm able to profitably 3bet shove here, but asides from gameflow reasoning/ how often I've been 3 betting him recently what makes you decide when to 3bet jam bluff from the BB  at this , or a similar stack depth against wide openers?  How much of my 3bet shove range should be weighted to bluffs, and how much towards more valuey stuff?It just feels kind of wrong to have a thought process of ''effective stacks are 18bb pre, he raises the button 80%, everytime he opens and I have 89ss/97ss etc I'm going to 3bet shove jam all in''.Like for me myself personally whenever I play good regs/regs with incredibly good stats it seems to me that I'm only ever getting 3bet shoved on with their value range ( when I have less chips).It seems to me like by default in HUSNG's people regs/good players seem to 3bet AIPF wide with a BLUFF range when they have the chip defecit...I understand in theory that that doesn't have much logic to it, but it's something I observe pretty much every reg I play do.  just remember that your opponent's preflop raise % on your HUD is just an average of their pfr% at all different stack depths. your HUD may say they open 80% - but maybe they open 90% at 25 stx and 55% at 15 stx or something ... i think you get that though. if we estimate villain's pfr % at 18bb stx, that is just an average estimate of all 18bb stx situations - a lot of villain's pfr range will vary based on gameflow, sometimes it might be 100%...others 60% but it averages to 80%. in that case, jamming 95s would be super +ev when opening 100%, and close to -ev (i didnt do the math) at 60% pfr. lotsss of villains opening frequencies vary based on gameflow, so it's just really important to pay attention to how they adjust and then adjust your ranges accordingly.it's important to note though, that even if you havent noticed villain changing his frequencies between 100 and 60%, jamming 95s as a standard is still very +ev bc his average pfr is still 80% and we are doing great vs that.does that make sense? having trouble explaining this one.

Question Re Donkbetting ??You used examples for donk betting such as 10 9 on 8 7 2 for example...Are we only barreling the turn on cards that improve our equity/ change the texture of the board??? Or would u just check call let's say a 1/2 psb on blank turns that don't improve our hand??on a 3 turn, we still have great equity and we should definitely have fold equity as well. i'm basically barreling any turn here, as it's almost always going to be better than check/calling. c/c allows free equity to hands in villains range that would fold to a turn lead...and also allows villain to take worse draws and turn into a bluff 2 streets and get us off our hand.post more hands if you want more specific explanations

Few more general Q's.1 -What hands would be in your raise folding range 25 bbs deep against someone who you knew was 3betting wide at that stack depth.depends what you mean by "3betting wide". a 27% 3bet% is pretty wide, but the adjustments i would make versus that % are very different than if my opening was 3bet shoving 45% for example. basically, i'm limping to limp/call more vs wider 3bet shovers. i'm mr/calling a wider range the wider they are 3bet shoving. i'm mr/folding less the wider they 3bet shove.good hands for mr/folding are hands that don't connect overly well postflop (don't limp well), but still have some reasonably postflop playability - also some card removal to the typical hands villain is 3bet shoving. K2o K3s Q6o J5s etc are all going to be pretty good to mr/fold usually (rarely good to limp, and even more rarely good to mr/call).be careful with generalizing too much though. you should be adjusting very very differently vs different %s.read jhub's thread starting from beginning. there is a bunch of great range analysis in his thread. 2- Do you play 25bb stacks in a reg speed/turbo the same way that you would do in a hyper turbo in general, or are there any significant population tendencies that fish//random players generally have in super turbos that make you alter any part of your strategy at all?i would play about the same. probably mr/call very slightly wider most stack depths in a hyper turbo, as i think the average hyper player tends to 3bet jam a little more often as a bluff. 3- If any suited ace and a8o are 3bet jams 30bbs deep against wide openers,  would you still do the same with AQ, AK or are these hands so strong that making 3 bets 30bbs deep are more +ev. My standard at the moment is to 3bet this hands to 240 irrespective of villain as I feel there's enough K10, KQ,KJ,QJ etc that I want to keep involved.??watch my most recent hyper vid, i cover this in detail (the AJ hand in the video). 4 The previous question got my thinking about this sort of spot.I have a lot of spots with like AK though where let's say blinds are 20/40 Villain minraises I make it 240 he flat calls. (1500 effective stacks)Board comes 10 Q 2r for example I cbet like 220 into 480 he jams all in for 1260. I need 34.66 equity VS his range.If I give the average villain an  this estimated range through stove for him 22,KTs+,Q8s+,J9s,KTo+,Q8o+,J9o I still have 41% equity which makes this a call right? Is my thought process fine here?Something I think about a lot is that obviously stove is as good as it gets in terms of making equity calculations, shouldn't we either be thinking about the fact that he is more likely to have certain hands in that range than others?? I.e it's more likely a randomer is going to have QJ ( a hand near the top of his range) than he is Q8o???Am I thinking about this too deeply, or am I along right lines?if you are getting the right odds to call, you call. the important thing is just estimating the range correctly. that would be a pretttttyyyy wide jamming range there imo. i'd expect some of those mid pair/gutshot type hands to flat sometimes, doubt avg villain is just flatting a 3bet with 22 at this depth also. it doesnt look too bad though, but ya that's def the most important part. stove is great and all, but if you are estimating villains ranges incorrectly stove can't help you.

stabbing limped:just stab air on  a lot of boards that villain doesn't have a ton of hand combos that connect. T42, J62, K82, etc. otherwise, just stab any hands that have some equity usually. the more wet the board, the more equity/sd value you want to have typically.barreling regs:if villain perceives your range to be very strong and you find he is making a lot of folds when you have value hands in these spots, then yes they become great spots to bluff in. i wouldn't do it as a default though, bc i don't think the avg thinking player folds nearly enough for us to be bluffing off our stacks without great reads on the boards you mentioned.good thought process though, you are on the right track for sure.

I know I'm probably overloading you with questions at the mo lol , but against somebody who is 3betting a very wide at less than 20bb stacks, what is a good button Limping range??? And what hands in that range would we call the BBs' 3x with?I don't really have too much of a limping at the moment at this sort of stack depth against a wide 3bettor and I think this is a pretty big mistake.I'm assuming a lot of the range is going to be stuff like 108o 98s, k8s etc????ya again, def check out jhub's thread.QT, J9, 87s, K7s type stuff are all going to be really solid limp/calling hands. i'd call a 3x with any hands like that basically.

T8:be careful treating flop/turn cbet frequencies the same in limp/called pots as in raised pots oop. most villains play very differently in these spots. you would need villains pfr range over your limp to be pretty damn wide, and to have a high cbet % as well, for jamming flop to be best. i don't expect villain will fold any AX to your jam, with so many possible draws you can have and being so committed. i'd flat flop/reevaluate vs the vast majority.that said, i think you played the hand really well and i like your turn sizing a lot