hmm just on top of my head i suppose at deep stacks(25+) ?c/c:when we c/c with deep stacks villian have more room to double/triple barrel c/r:because of the deep stacks villian will have more room to 3b our flat our c/r.donking : one of the con's of donking is the same as for c/r but this way we are not bloating the pot as much as a c/r would. and this way can we get the oportunity to double /triple barrel.
i have kept a static 3b size of 90 with my entire 3b range so 3b 120 is interesting.meeh don't really know how formulate a sentence regarding my thoughts but will trywhat other parts of our range do we 3b to 120 do we only 3b 40- 120 vs fish? have some more questions regarding depending on your replies to this. i would 3b to t120 until villain gives me a reason not to. the vast majority of regs still aren't folding a J9s JTo to a 40-120 3b, even if they have an idea of our range. the only hands i'd 3b to t120 as a standard are KQ and KJ. if villain is raising so wide that KT QJs K9s become 3b shoves, i'd 3b those to t120 as well.
hmm just on top of my head i suppose at deep stacks(25+) ?c/c:when we c/c with deep stacks villian have more room to double/triple barrel c/r:because of the deep stacks villian will have more room to 3b our flat our c/r.donking : one of the con's of donking is the same as for c/r but this way we are not bloating the pot as much as a c/r would. and this way can we get the oportunity to double /triple barrel.well, the fact is most villains dont double/triple barrel much...even players that cbet wide a lot of times. i wouldn't worry so much about bloating the pot or w/e. if villain is cbetting wide enough that a c/r is going to show good exp, if it's the best exp play we can make then make it...don't worry about controlling the pot. just print EV. you should donk if it's going to induce (have real reads) or donk bc villain doesn't cbet a particular board wide enough that their is much value in a c/r.
have had some problems with readjusting my grinding schedule now that school ahve started so volume have lacked a bit. but hoping some of the other participants are up for doing some sweats in the weekend. i did happen to get into this hand.quite simple but just wanted your opinion.he was not 3b or flatting much so def think the mr is +ev. given how tight he was preflop don't think he is going to show up with a 4 like ever. and i expect him to raise toppair most of the time + he does not have a lot of sevens either imo. leaving him with mainly overs. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBDerPate69450 SBHero550 Effective Stacks: 11bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players)Hero is SBHero raises to 80, DerPate69 calls 40 Flop (160, 2 players) DerPate69 checks, Hero bets 64, DerPate69 calls 64 Turn (288, 2 players) DerPate69 checks, Hero bets 115, DerPate69 foldsFinal Pot: 403 Hero wins 403 ( won +144 ) DerPate69 lost -144 also i'm going to dedicate the majority of my poker time beginning sunday( i think) to reading and understanding jhubs thread, from skimming it seems to have some very valuable informtion which i would like to understand better
95: meh, i'm just trying to think of what hands call flop and fold turn? also, you would really have to have a decent sample against him to know that he isn't flatting much hands that connect to this board - like yes, you can assume he's flatting less than most people, but that doesn't mean hes flatting none. also it's really important to keep in mind that once he calls the flop his range is more narrowed to this board. maybe he folds to your cbet here 80% of the time, but when he does call...does he have enough hands that fold the turn? that's wha tyou need to figure out, and not just barrel bc most of his range misses the flop.
whats your expectation flatting 20bb withJ3s85oK7oK4s76s / 87sgoing to check w Mers. i feel my intuition is pretty accurate w these things, but i dont have a database to verify it either (ty Black Friday). emailing him now will update asap.
3b 40-90 needs to work 31 % correct ?90/130=0.69no. your bb is already posted , so you are risking t70 to win pot of t60. 70/130 = 53.8%so yes, you don't need your opponent to be folding much for a nai-3b to be very profitable. just to prove why you don't include the bb (or as close to a proof as i know how to do anyway):i'm sure you know that if villain is folding his bb against our pfr >50% of the time we can raise atc.this is bc:hero posts sb 10 villain posts bb 20hero raises to 40 hero risks t30 to win a pot of t30 (the blinds)30/60 = 0.5 = 50%so our pfr needs to work 50% to raise atc. makes sense?
god this game is sooooo stupid or something like that. just going to spend the last couple of days reading threads instead of playing take a break or something. get a hobby that isn't poker-related. it's good for you :)
@happy: thanks for participating in the program. your thread definitely turned out to be one of the more interesting ones, so thx for all the good questions. please feel free to email me any follow-up questions to gtillerhokie@gmail.com.you will have read-only access for another 4 weeks approxgood luck
hmm just on top of my head i suppose at deep stacks(25+) ?c/c:when we c/c with deep stacks villian have more room to double/triple barrel c/r:because of the deep stacks villian will have more room to 3b our flat our c/r.donking : one of the con's of donking is the same as for c/r but this way we are not bloating the pot as much as a c/r would. and this way can we get the oportunity to double /triple barrel.
i have kept a static 3b size of 90 with my entire 3b range so 3b 120 is interesting.meeh don't really know how formulate a sentence regarding my thoughts but will trywhat other parts of our range do we 3b to 120 do we only 3b 40- 120 vs fish? have some more questions regarding depending on your replies to this. i would 3b to t120 until villain gives me a reason not to. the vast majority of regs still aren't folding a J9s JTo to a 40-120 3b, even if they have an idea of our range. the only hands i'd 3b to t120 as a standard are KQ and KJ. if villain is raising so wide that KT QJs K9s become 3b shoves, i'd 3b those to t120 as well.
we get 3b 40-90 22-25 bbflatting : K7s+ , Q7s+ , J8s+ , T8s+ , K9o+ , Q8o+ , T8o+ , 98stoo tight ?i'd call a little wider. some low suited AX if they arent 4b shoves, J7s, T7s, 97s, 87s, 76s, 96s, 86sread jhub's thread. tons of range stuff: http://www.husng.com/content/jhub30-hh-thread
hmm just on top of my head i suppose at deep stacks(25+) ?c/c:when we c/c with deep stacks villian have more room to double/triple barrel c/r:because of the deep stacks villian will have more room to 3b our flat our c/r.donking : one of the con's of donking is the same as for c/r but this way we are not bloating the pot as much as a c/r would. and this way can we get the oportunity to double /triple barrel.well, the fact is most villains dont double/triple barrel much...even players that cbet wide a lot of times. i wouldn't worry so much about bloating the pot or w/e. if villain is cbetting wide enough that a c/r is going to show good exp, if it's the best exp play we can make then make it...don't worry about controlling the pot. just print EV. you should donk if it's going to induce (have real reads) or donk bc villain doesn't cbet a particular board wide enough that their is much value in a c/r.
have had some problems with readjusting my grinding schedule now that school ahve started so volume have lacked a bit. but hoping some of the other participants are up for doing some sweats in the weekend. i did happen to get into this hand.quite simple but just wanted your opinion.he was not 3b or flatting much so def think the mr is +ev. given how tight he was preflop don't think he is going to show up with a 4 like ever. and i expect him to raise toppair most of the time + he does not have a lot of sevens either imo. leaving him with mainly overs. No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$58.74+$1.26 Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BBDerPate69450 SBHero550 Effective Stacks: 11bb Blinds 20/40 Pre-Flop (60, 2 players) Hero is SB Hero raises to 80, DerPate69 calls 40 Flop (160, 2 players) DerPate69 checks, Hero bets 64, DerPate69 calls 64 Turn (288, 2 players) DerPate69 checks, Hero bets 115, DerPate69 folds Final Pot: 403 Hero wins 403 ( won +144 ) DerPate69 lost -144 also i'm going to dedicate the majority of my poker time beginning sunday( i think) to reading and understanding jhubs thread, from skimming it seems to have some very valuable informtion which i would like to understand better
95: meh, i'm just trying to think of what hands call flop and fold turn? also, you would really have to have a decent sample against him to know that he isn't flatting much hands that connect to this board - like yes, you can assume he's flatting less than most people, but that doesn't mean hes flatting none. also it's really important to keep in mind that once he calls the flop his range is more narrowed to this board. maybe he folds to your cbet here 80% of the time, but when he does call...does he have enough hands that fold the turn? that's wha tyou need to figure out, and not just barrel bc most of his range misses the flop.
god this game is sooooo stupid or something like that. just going to spend the last couple of days reading threads instead of playing
whats your expectation flatting 20bb withJ3s85oK7oK4s76s / 87s
3b 40-90 needs to work 31 % correct ?90/130=0.69
whats your expectation flatting 20bb withJ3s85oK7oK4s76s / 87sgoing to check w Mers. i feel my intuition is pretty accurate w these things, but i dont have a database to verify it either (ty Black Friday). emailing him now will update asap.
3b 40-90 needs to work 31 % correct ?90/130=0.69no. your bb is already posted , so you are risking t70 to win pot of t60. 70/130 = 53.8%so yes, you don't need your opponent to be folding much for a nai-3b to be very profitable. just to prove why you don't include the bb (or as close to a proof as i know how to do anyway):i'm sure you know that if villain is folding his bb against our pfr >50% of the time we can raise atc.this is bc:hero posts sb 10 villain posts bb 20hero raises to 40 hero risks t30 to win a pot of t30 (the blinds)30/60 = 0.5 = 50%so our pfr needs to work 50% to raise atc. makes sense?
god this game is sooooo stupid or something like that. just going to spend the last couple of days reading threads instead of playing take a break or something. get a hobby that isn't poker-related. it's good for you :)
@happy: thanks for participating in the program. your thread definitely turned out to be one of the more interesting ones, so thx for all the good questions. please feel free to email me any follow-up questions to gtillerhokie@gmail.com.you will have read-only access for another 4 weeks approxgood luck
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