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Melcoool's picture
is this a shove ?

$25/$50 No Limit Holdem • 2 Players Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter BTNHero$2870.00  BBRostocks11$1130.00  Effective Stacks: 23bb Pre-Flop ($75.00, 2 players) Hero is BTN Hero raises to $100.00, Rostocks11 calls $50.00    Flop ($200.00, 2 players) Rostocks11 checks, Hero bets $100.00, Rostocks11 raises to $200.00, Hero goes all-in $2770.00, Rostocks11 goes all-in $830.00    Turn ($4000.00, 2 players, 2 all-in)    River ($4000.00, 2 players, 2 all-in)    Final Pot: $4000.00 Hero shows PAIR KING Rostocks11 shows PAIR QUEEN Hero lost -$610.00 Rostocks11 lost -$1130.00i am not really sure if this is the correct play what would you say about it villain is a very loose oop 100% and he C/R me on the flop 22% but for a small size of hands (26)   

longjohn's picture
I don't think this is a shove

I don't think this is a shove your folding out worse hands getting called by better or draws, I'm not sure if the fact that you have blockers to any draws he might have makes this not a bad shove actually, but I think when when you have no reads on his c/r range and he is c/r so small your better off callng and reevaluting the turn.

nekrogovner's picture
23bb deep I'm very likely

23bb deep I'm very likely shoving and feeling quite happy about it.

longjohn's picture
Whats you reasoning behind shoving nekro?

Whats you reasoning behind shoving nekro?

nekrogovner's picture
Well, I probably have up to

Well, I probably have up to 10 outs (he might be blocking some). I don't really want to lose action vs a loose oop station so I will make him charge all of his draws, and since you say he plays 100% OOP then there is really many draws, and even if he already has a better hand I still have quite decent chance of improving.Though, just like happyham mentioned, flatting a flop is also a good option since villain made a ridiculous raise size.

happyham's picture
If you say he is check

If you say he is check raising 22% (all be it over a small sample), then I would probably check back on the flop.  This is a pretty wet board, and in relation to this board your hand is mid strength.  You should look to polarize your c betting range against frequent check raisers. That being said, I'm not sure what is a high % for check raising.  22% seems a fair amount to me though.  I don't think this is the kind of board he is going to c/r fold (given the texture), so you are shoving and getting it in with around 40% equity (assuming all your outs are clean)*.  Rather than put yourself in that spot, checking back allows you to control the size of the pot better with your reasonable equity in the hand. I've never been good at maths, so maybe this is wrong.  Its how I would think about it though.

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happyham's picture
As played, I think the shove

As played, I think the shove is bad.  I would flat and then fold to any turn bet bigger than 250 if I didn't improve. 

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Melcoool's picture
thanks guys and run good :)

thanks guys and run good :)