Waldie faces off against IGetMonies on the Revolution Network skin AdamEve. They play games at the $50 turbo speed level.
Above, IGetMonies point of view.
Below, Waldie's point of view.
Waldie faces off against IGetMonies on the Revolution Network skin AdamEve. They play games at the $50 turbo speed level.
Above, IGetMonies point of view.
Below, Waldie's point of view.
Hey everyone, this is IGetMonies, as I said in the vid I'm happy to answer any questions here in the comments, and as this is my first video I would appreciate any thoughts.
I will review waldie's video and leave some comments in a few hours.
Hi! Thanks for the videos! I really enjoyed them, I liked IGetMonies' decisions and the way he explained his reasoning behind them. Waldie's too was interesting to watch. The format of seeing both perspectives is cool. I hope to see more videos from both these players. :)
Glad you liked them Daniel.
My aforementioned questions for Waldie:
1:10 – You say ‘you can safely assume he is opening a small range to me at this stack depth’. What do you mean by this?
6:00 – What do you think about my calldown with K8? I think in your spot you should call my hand since you cap your range a lot more than me, but because I am nowhere near as capped I could potentially fold the turn or the river, but given how high your bluff frequency probably is I decided to calldown.
8:55 – Why do you say this is a good board to barrel?
10:25 – Could you just expand on why you prefer checkraising here? You didn’t cover it in the vid, instead quickly moving onto sizing.
13:15 – Do you think you would actually bluff the turn here on the right?
15:05 – Why do you think I should ‘every time’? It’s also contradictory to c/c the turn after saying you think I cbet all my air. It’s also extremely irrelevant you have the king of hearts as I’d cbet my FD’s OTF.
16:38 – You openfold 83s here and earlier opened T4o, you also did speak about openfolding 93s/92s/83s/73s IIRC. Curious to know why you believe T4o is better to open than those hands?
19:25 – Why don’t you think I should flat an 8 OTT/why do you think I should shove 6x?
24:50- Why do you say you think I’m opening too wide here but with 54s earlier you folded because you don’t know how much I’ve raised? Since the 54s hand I raised my next button at 17-30bb and raised 1 of 2 at 12-18bb, and most people tighten their raising range as stacks get shorted (54s was 17.5bb, K6o was 14bb).
33:40 – Why do you think I should donk Ax+?
1:10 mispoke, meant to say similar
6:00 When i first thought about it, i thought it was prob an easy call down, but now i think its close. I guess the best way to analyze it would be to figure out what I would take that line with and how K8 does against it.
Just off the top of my head probly something like this:
44, 88 (obv unlikely, but poss.), qq, 84s, q8, q4, ax (except a4 prob), 56 {strong}
and obv all the bluffs too which there a quite a lot of, might do hand-by-hand in the future, but i dont have time right now. Size wise i think u need 41% equity to be right. Actually, i'll do it hand-by-hand after and post what i come up with later.
8:55 Because its an over to the 5, makes nothing "get there", and im def chk raising Kx+ probly since were jsut starting and i would want that in my chk raising range and want to get value, AND it may look weak cuz you might think im just doing it because its so dry so i could get loose action possibly. Mainly to fold out my weak sd hands that u couldnt beat with air.
10:25 pretty std imo, to get value. I want to play as big of pot as I can here and I think you could possibly have a bunch of straight draw type hands that give me action.
13:15 YES, because we have established that you are capable of thinking that I am barrel bluffing "good cards" so I think i can mix in barrels on "bad" cards that you would think I wouldnt barrel. I have to adjust to your logic of "i think he barrels too wide/ is barrelling this as standard" by doing that. Also, I would assume your range is very capped here because (maybe incorrectly) but I would assume you would want to chk raise your value (ax mainly) hands on the flop because you know that I probably will check back quite a few turns here (<9) with my air.
15:05 I think its good as a standard to cbet Axx boards because you obv would when you connect with it. Also if i flat the flop, you can barrel me off a bunch of small pps, 8x, Jx sometiems too.
Well, maybe it was misleading, but what i mean is I think ur checking back (assuming ur cbetting all ur air) 8x, maybe Jx, so therefore I think ur range beats me at this point. And you might even check back nut hands, i mean after all you were quite passive with value hands in spots. (just saying its possible, and i cant KNOW you would cbet ur fd's, i mean u didnt cbet a non sd hand here, so i dont think i can rule thats impossible.)
16:38 my ranges were a little off. I think it is as we get shallower, but ya you're right any two suited is fine. and T4, T5 even may be fine to fold. Like shallowed i like to open J3o-J5o also, but i think here those can be folded.
19:25 Because of the way stacks are shallowish and i've likely got a hand that has decent equity vs 8x. I just think it helps avoid sucky rivers when i bet them. Like I could see obv if you were made and didnt want me to fold and keep bluffing. But I think 8x is too vulnerable.
"shove 6x?"... because i think based on the line i took you would have enough FE to make it better than calling and hoping to bink and also theres a fd out there too.
24:50 . I have a big limping range 14 deep. And by now I would have to think you have likely held a hand I would have limped with, hence the "too wide". I also would, all else being equal, assume you probly are slightly on the "wide" side anyways being a turbo player., and maybe know having your ranges down cold pre when shallow.
33:40 to get value cuz im checking back a ton of hands especially hands that have pretty good equity against ax, like the one I had.
sigh, sorry to ppl who care if its TLDR.
made a mistake on the 41% equity or whatever i think its jsut under 30%. 2.5ish to 1( i think of it like that)
I think this affects enough and I have a ton of bluffs probably.
6:00 When i first thought about it, i thought it was prob an easy call down, but now i think its close. I guess the best way to analyze it would be to figure out what I would take that line with and how K8 does against it.
Just off the top of my head probly something like this:
44, 88 (obv unlikely, but poss.), qq, 84s, q8, q4, ax (except a4 prob), 56 {strong}
and obv all the bluffs too which there a quite a lot of, might do hand-by-hand in the future, but i dont have time right now. Size wise i think u need 41% equity to be right. Actually, i'll do it hand-by-hand after and post what i come up with later.
it's around 28.8%, if you bluff just this range [KJo-KTo,JTo-J9o,T9o,KJs-KTs,JTs-J9s,T9s] (missed straight draws OTT) I can already call.
10:25 pretty std imo, to get value. I want to play as big of pot as I can here and I think you could possibly have a bunch of straight draw type hands that give me action.
straight draws make up <10% of my range, and if I'm not cbetting mid/bottom/underpairs, there is very little to get value from.
13:15 YES, because we have established that you are capable of thinking that I am barrel bluffing "good cards" so I think i can mix in barrels on "bad" cards that you would think I wouldnt barrel. I have to adjust to your logic of "i think he barrels too wide/ is barrelling this as standard" by doing that. Also, I would assume your range is very capped here because (maybe incorrectly) but I would assume you would want to chk raise your value (ax mainly) hands on the flop because you know that I probably will check back quite a few turns here (<9) with my air.
I don't think the fact I called down in a spot where I thought your bluff frequencies would be way too high is a good reason to start bluffing in fundamentally bad spots to bluff, instead I'd prefer to start bluffing less and vbetting wider in those spots.
15:05 I think its good as a standard to cbet Axx boards because you obv would when you connect with it. Also if i flat the flop, you can barrel me off a bunch of small pps, 8x, Jx sometiems too.
not all ace high boards are created alike, and doing something unprofitable because you would do that with strong hands is a generally suboptimal imo (it can fit in some cases but not as a blanket statement). i do like your point about bluffing you off PP's/8x/Jx though.
something else worth mentioning is you shouldn't really perceive my check back range as that weak given the showdowns we have had so far, and it's not like you can bet turn+river w/ impunity vs me.
Well, maybe it was misleading, but what i mean is I think ur checking back (assuming ur cbetting all ur air) 8x, maybe Jx, so therefore I think ur range beats me at this point. And you might even check back nut hands, i mean after all you were quite passive with value hands in spots. (just saying its possible, and i cant KNOW you would cbet ur fd's, i mean u didnt cbet a non sd hand here, so i dont think i can rule thats impossible.)
again, if you think I cbet all my air and check back 8x/Jx, and think I have the stronger range, why do you c/c the turn?
19:25 Because of the way stacks are shallowish and i've likely got a hand that has decent equity vs 8x. I just think it helps avoid sucky rivers when i bet them. Like I could see obv if you were made and didnt want me to fold and keep bluffing. But I think 8x is too vulnerable.
"shove 6x?"... because i think based on the line i took you would have enough FE to make it better than calling and hoping to bink and also theres a fd out there too.
what hands do you think you have in your range that 8x is ahead of here?
24:50 . I have a big limping range 14 deep. And by now I would have to think you have likely held a hand I would have limped with, hence the "too wide". I also would, all else being equal, assume you probly are slightly on the "wide" side anyways being a turbo player., and maybe know having your ranges down cold pre when shallow.
i dont really understand what you're saying here. wouldn't a turbo player typically be too tight if anything (in endgame)? and what do you mean by ' and maybe know having your ranges down cold pre when shallow.'?
33:40 to get value cuz im checking back a ton of hands especially hands that have pretty good equity against ax, like the one I had.
can you talk more about this board texture? what you think cbet, lead and checkraise ranges should look like?
thanks, really looking forward to part 2 being released
Nice video. Aussie accents are hot. Some good analysis in there. Would like to see 1 tabling in this coaching format.
Nice video. Would like to see more of this format. But a poker site called AdamEve poker is just taking the piss lol.
Also Waldie- do you always play the same strat vs regs and fish? Because I don't like making my x/c range too weak vs regs by always x/r top pairs. When they can bet AJ for 3 streets of value ip on KJ972 it's pretty bad imo. This goes for 3bet pots also.
Also Waldie- do you always...? As a default, probably yes. Until I know what theyre doing and what makes them a "fish". But i'm trying to see what adjustments need to be made asap.
i would say ya, if you think they can cbet f, t, r in a spot like that then ya maybe. But i would say as a default i'm not a fan of turning jx into a bluff there personally, because only stuff that can beat it will continue. Also though, are they cbet folding strongish hands like Jx on that flop to a checkraise? Like maybe you could get more value. But ya, flatting stuff like that def affects your ranges too, sometimes with benefits.
But, like anything else, there obv is never an "always" playing HU.
betting AJ thrice isnt a bluff...