Pbogz continues on with the second part of his Grasping the Fundamentals series. In this video he discusses some hands from a live match on Juicy Stakes Poker. He reiterates some of the concepts he discussed in his first video such as adjusting both in and out of position and barelling.
Hey everybody hope you enjoyed the video. Just a little heads up on a few things... I was looking at the wrong nash chart while playing vs "leftalone" so the k3o was 8.7BB on the nash chart and the k2 at the end of the game was 8.1BB on the nash chart which was a little wide on his part. thank you!
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We have republished this video and turned the audio up. It should be more clear now.
I promised myself that I would not take issue with this vid (before watching it) if it just resembles anything that reminds me of solid/standard play. Unfortunately, it doesn't, basic stuff such as looking at the correct nash chart while making a video for people who are novices/new to the game is not gonna help at all. Yes I can see you correct it in the comment box below but I will still take an issue with it as it comes off as incredibly unprofessional.
Then we get into the actual gameplay.. Your advices goes against anything ever taught on this site.. Such as Mers videos about how to use the nash pushing/calling chart.
1) Open T8s 6bb deep I will be inclined to say is stupid, just shove please.
2) Fold K3o 5bb deep vs a shove is WRONG. It doesn't matter if he "shove with any two or not when we are 5bb deep we CALL. To illustrate.. You say the guy is a reg. so lets assume that he has basic understanding of the nash pushing chart that means he will at LEAST shove 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T2s+,94s+,84s+,74s+,63s+,53s+,43s,A2o+,K2o+,Q2o+,J3o+,T6o+,96o+,86o+,76o 5bb deep.. vs that K3o is 47.07% and obv that is a snapcall.
3) excatly same as number 2. Folding Q4s at 5bb effective stacks (nash calling number 8.4bb.) It leaves me lost for words.
4) Then minraise T4o 9bb effective stacks I think is questionable.. Where it gets bad is on the flop! Cbetting 1/2 pot at these stack depths is just atrocious, I would argue anywhere from 35-50 chips cbet will get the exact same outcome with less chips risked.
5) T9o at 13.5bb it might not be a mistake to open but I think you should at least consider limping as your opponent has been so aggressive (you said it yourself)
6) limp 65s I think is fine. Again the problem is OTF where say you "try to rep an ace" on A99r which is completely silly considering it's your first limp. You arrive at the right conclusions with bad reasoning
7) AK hand 2nd game I agree that when unknowns/randoms limp and click raise its generally a sign of a good hand but I will still argue that you would be fine off just reraising. Then you say "he doesn't like to bet flops when he doesn't hit" you can't generalize like that after only 2 hands of a game. A 677ss board should hit your range better than his limp/raise range and thus he might very well check that board.
8) J8o you cbet 843ss then you check back 2s, in another similar example you have said this would be a bad bluff card (implying we get called pretty wide) thus we should bet wider for value? Apparently not since you ended up checking :S
9) ATs hand when opponent donk bets flop and turn you said it would have been interesting if he had bet the river, I wish you would have said how you would have responded to a river bet.
Thats 8 hands I have taken issue with. I didn't count the exact number of hands in this video but I will assume it's a quite big percentage of overall hands.
Hey everyone, thank you kenneth for the paragraph above... I will not go over everyhand because Kenneth is quiet the villain but if im going to agree with one thing it is that u can make a case for the k3 calling hand and potentially q4. I've played left in the past and with nash if opponents are tigher than nash than you need to tighten up your calling range. The reason I am raising hands like 104 is because he was folding alot oop and find myself making a better play raise folding instead of simply folding pre flop. IF anybody else that isnt somebody who just gets there jollies of ruining my vids, I will love to help you with any questions you will have. Thank you!
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Nah, bro, it's not "making a case" for calling the K3o and Q4s. Those hands were mistakes, period.
Hi,
You should address the concerns of members, you can't just put yourself out there then ignore the comments because you don't like them.
If you're raising T4o, are you minraising 100% at 9bb vs that guy? Or will you not answer me because I'm getting my jollies off?
Agreed! K3 Q4s is a call in both those spots!
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those hands were mistakes... was playing a little to tight at that moment in the game
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If he starts flatting more or 3bet shoving me than I would stop. Until I saw that adjustment I'd continue to raise fold with hands like 104. The only reason I am not going through all of Kensus posts is because I talk to him on skype and he is clearly doing this just to get under my skin more than anything else. Yes he does have some valid points, but I answered those points and said it was a mistake not calling those shoves. Anybody else I would love talk with or help.
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^^ that is complete bullshit.
This guy can't take criticism in any form.. As soon as his lack of poker understanding is revealed he goes off on random personal attacks!
Here is what i got from my long paragraph above:
[4/8/2013 9:50:45 PM] Pbogz: i would, but im really not wasting my time with you... Literally the only thing i would even agree with you on is the k3.. which still in my book can be optional based on opp..[4/8/2013 9:51:10 PM] Pbogz: besides that i think ur just a lonely idiot who has nothing better to do with his life
I can't understand why more people haven't spoken out about your vid Paul, maybe they can't be bothered..
Pbogz, seriously, there where so many missplayed hands, I don't even know where to start.
I don't quite get why are u even doing a video. You don't explain anything, "interesting spot" and then snapchecking/betting w/e without any thoughts of you.
In my opinion at least a third of your hands were missplayed.
Just commenting on the probably worst hand:
Checking J8o on 8234 vs some complete donk on the turn. Doesnt make any sense, you are only pointing out 65 and the flush, but it's just the easiest valuebet of all time against any pair, any fd, any 5x..
And especially after reading you are insulting someone who is clearly a better poker player (his statements make a lot more sense) you should definiltey stop making video for husng.com.
just two points:
at around 1:40
"it´s still 10/20, so i´m not gonna be open shoving a lot of hands..."
you are only 6bb deep! the blind level is of absolutely no matter if you decide to minraise, openshove, fold, or whatever.... since this is supposed to be a beginner video (at least i think so because of the title), the instructor himself should not make a beginner´s thought process himself, but he should get such a fundamentally wrong thought out of the student´s mind.
at around 3:40 you say it is "so unfortunate" that you ran into AA.
well, it´s not unfortunate. you gave your opponent 4 chances to get lucky:
1) you minraised T8s: a minraise at 6bb looks way stronger than a shove. he might have called a shove with a hand that you dominate, like T7s 98s, 97s, 87s, T8o, 98o, which are still correct nash-calls. another question concerning that hand: if you get 3bet, do you fold T8s 6bb deep?).
2) not calling with K3o: it already has been debated in detail
3) minraising QJo 6bb depp instead of shoving; same as 1) your opponent should expect you to jam really wide and be calling you accordingly. a minraise might scare a hand like J5s away, which would be a correct call.
4) not calling Q4o
if you had run into AA with K3, that would have been unfortunate. but given how you played these 4 hands, it was everything but unfortunate, you had it coming.
in a hyper turbo, such mistakes are even worse, because one hand later, you already might have lost your buyin.
sorry for the harsh critique, i am not such a super expert myself, so i hesitated quite a bit if i should post at all. yet especially the last point bothered me quite a lot, because that´s a point, where players like me who want to become better and better are sometimes very wrong and where we need the most support: not blaming luck when it was actually our own mistake.
cheers
s.
Alright guys, I already said that I misplacey the k3 and the q4 suited. As for along of the other hands I still stand by the way I played them. As for what Kensu posted, Its funny that he posted the one mean thing I might have said to him, but didn't want to post the abuse I took from him even when I was away from my computer for about an hour. I don't understand how you can say that i misplayed a 3rd of my hands and only comment on a few and you discuss the 823 board. I said that 1) it was a very bad turn and 2) I didnt think that he was calling another value bet with 2x or 3x. So i checked to induce a bluff on the river. You also suggest 5x? Where exactly is 5x come into play on a 823 board? unless its 56 or A5? You guys just seem to harping on my Lingo and a few missed nash shoves. I don't think that it deserves what you guys are posting. I'd like to just say that I won't drop down to Kensus level and post all the harsh comments he made on skype that made me return some harsh comments about him being lonely. ( p.s Sorry) Anyways if you have a problem with the hands please comment on some others so we can go over them! to say that I should stop making videos on Husng.com is not my call, but I think the staement is bonkers!
TY
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"drop down to my level" Paul watch yourself, I strongly urge you to do so. I will post our entire chatlog if you go on like that. People will see that you attacked me right from the get go because you were upset about how I commented on your videos.
Please do so, apparently he neither can take critism nor he can argue on a proper level.
I'd really like to know whats going on.
and again to J8, that guy is a complete donk, he'd probably call with any2 cards there that contain a spade.
But congratulations, u induced a bluff of 1bb.
I think its rude to call a fellow heads up player a complete " donk" when you dont even know him at all. To me that was a random opponent, but regardless I give all my opponents respect on and off the tables. I choose not to continue and talk about what Kensu brought up.
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I dont know why people can't calmy debate a topic without personal insults. I agree, clearly there were mistakes made on Pbogz's part but the good thing about debate is that people learn! This is maybe his third video and for some players clearly explaining their thought process takes practice and what better time to practice than in a FREE video. Constructive criticism would be valuable to help him improve. Pbogz thanks for taking the time to make a video and i wish you best of luck in the future.
Thanks man. Like I say in some of my videos, I am not the best poker player in the world, but I strive to be. Those nash shoves were def mistakes, but I agree 100%. If I make a comment on somebodys page it is something to help them improve not to try and turn it into a playground fight. Once again, Ty and hope you enjoyed the vid!
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