Today playing on 7$ hypers, got an interesting spot, i wonder what would be the best line postflop, CR NAI on flop or CR AI on flop? Flop hits pretty good for opponents Openraising range, if I CR NAI like 2,2x he is likely to jam in most of cases, and for me it would be an easy call for remaining 170-180 chips of him because i need to breakeven like 28%,
SO I GUESS cr nai IS BETTER OPTION IN HERE?
Imo both are fine.
His is the mistake by betting too small and not protecting his top pair vs. such a textured flop.
Btw, why the red splodge? It says he has tripped over the Jacks...
sorry i missed that text, tried to hide villains hand so people say their thoughts without knowing cards we are playing against
Agree with other comments.
c/r NAI will be pretty committing anyway at this stack depth so it doesn't really matter whether you c/r NAI or c/r jam.
You have an OESD + overcard.
= 8 + 3 = 11 outs vs top pair ~ 41% equity vs typical stack off range (ignoring dirty outs when opponent stacks off with pair + FD type holdings).
Once you add in the fold equity from raising, this is a clear c/r spot.
Because your play requires fold equity to be profitable, you should take the line which maximises it.
Generally this is c/r jamming, unless you give your opponent credit for thinking about a pot committing bet as stronger...
That said, a thinking player is cbetting less here without the goods anyway so it really doesn't matter...
The best play in this spot is:
Pull up an internet browser, click this link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisCkxU544c
Then ship it all in.
Type "nh" when you bink river to maximise your lolEV.
Like a boss.
While villain's bet is certainly on the small side, it's not really an error if we are inclined to raise with our drawing hands. You don't need to bet big to protect if your opponent is putting the money in for you. Optimal bet sizing can be complicated, and the value of each bet near the optimum amount is probably reasonably flat-topped, i.e., doesn't make a huge difference. Exploitative considerations also come into play.
Regarding OP, I'm assuming NAI is "nearly all in," or something like it. I'm reading between the lines here, but there seems to be a bit of misguided logic in why you think CR NAI might be better. It sounds like you're thinking that, once you've already put that money in, if your opponent shoves, you're now getting a great price - hence that it is profitable. But the error here is that we already have the sunk cost of the money we put all in, while our opponent's shoving range is clearly ahead of ours.
In game theory terms, you're pretty much never going to be raising a hand here and then folding to a jam. This means that going all in is guaranteed to be at least as good as shoving nearly all in, because otherwise we're giving our opponent options - call and see the turn, etc.
But realistically, shoving and raising enough to commit yourself are pretty much the same play. The main consideration is how your opponent will interpret your bet. If you just jam straightaway, your opponent may put you on a draw, and call ace/king high/etc, but might fold to a smaller raise. But some players might react the opposite way, especially at $7 level. Sufficiently good players will realize that both options are the same, and either treat it as a jam or try to mind-game your intentions. Generally speaking, if your opponent is good I would say not to waste your time fooling around and just jam, but sometimes a gameflow read can dictate otherwise.
Although a small bet does allow a hand like A8 to just call which is why it is sub optimal imo.
If you analyse bet sizing with regards pot odds, implied pot odds and reverse implied pot odds then the outcome is that if you have a big hand you should bet big with it or just check.
Allowing him to see another card cheaply when he has hit bottom pair, or the bottom end of the straight draw is just a bad idea given that his check on the next street actually gives you very little information with regards his possible improvement.
This is why players get into trouble with big hands like pocket Aces. They try to extract maximum value from weaker starting hands by barrelling small on all three streets so as not to scare the weaker hand away only to find that 54s has beaten them by the river.
Thanks for great comments with full of information!! ;)