Hi..
Villain limps in and I call, flop comes and I donk jam.
His limp % is 80% over 11 hands. Generally passive PF and Flop but contesting ( Re Raising ) my Turn and River bets ???
Im short stack and hit bottom pair.
Theres no reson or benifit here for letting this hand proceed any further I think ?
Or could I extract more value ?
I think it would be dangerous to chk back and let him see antoher card ?
No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players
$1.44+$0.06
Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converter
| BB | Hero | 225 | |
| SB | FAGNER2013 | 775 |
Effective Stacks: 8bb
Blinds 15/30
Pre-Flop (45, 2 players)
Hero is BB
FAGNER2013 calls 15, Hero checks
Flop (60, 2 players)
Hero goes all-in 195, FAGNER2013 folds
Final Pot: 60
Hero wins 255 ( won +30 )
FAGNER2013 lost -30
If you have good reading abilities you could extract more value but on this board he dont have a hands much often there and snap us with better hands would rather bet 3/4p to setup a turn shove if i consider is a good cards to put the rest of my stack. Also a 80% limper can have some weaks Ax and Qx just for info some villain limps ATC have to be careful and adjust from it.
Dont Let Variance Affect You!
Hey Thanks again,
Yes always difficult here for me, fear of the turn induces a spaz shove. I have to work on this.
Again I find it difficult as I dont really have much of a limping range in my arsenal and have no desire to let villain see a flop for cheep without reaping some information. Naturally I find limping really hard to range.
Me thinks I need to watch some Cog Dis.
Thanks Again,
TC.
Go forth and CRUSH !
Yeah good idea, we get better as we play i still not enough sharp in my game actually but we get better by analysing and putting time to work on leaks etc. Yeah cog should help you or any chadders0 limping startegy
Dont Let Variance Affect You!
1. You're playing @ 8BB so any mistake is not going to cost you much.
2. When you donk jam the flop, you're basically never being called by worse hands.
3. Your play could be good if villain's equity that you fold out is worth enough. But how often are you ahead on the flop but then behind on the river?
If we assign villain any two cards for limping, you have 62.6% equity vs his range.
If we assign villain top 80% of hands, your equity reduces to 55.0% vs his range.
It is quite difficult to know what villain is limping without more information about how often he has been limping, open folding, min raising or open jamming around this stack depth.
Using PPT PQL, we can query: how often are we ahead vs villain here and behind on the turn and river?
Turn with villain assigned limping range of any two cards:
select count(( minHVHEquity(PLAYER_1,flop,0.5) AND minHVHEquity(PLAYER_2,turn,0.5))) /* How often ( PLAYER_1 have hand vs. hand equity of at least 50% on the flop AND PLAYER_2 have hand vs. hand equity of at least 50% on the turn) */ as COUNT1
from game='holdem', syntax='Generic',
board='AdQs6c',
PLAYER_1='8h6d',
PLAYER_2='100%'
=> We are ahead on the flop and behind on the turn 7.0% of the time.
River with villain assigned limping range any two cards:
select count(( minHVHEquity(PLAYER_1,flop,0.5) AND minHVHEquity(PLAYER_2,river,0.5))) /* How often ( PLAYER_1 have hand vs. hand equity of at least 50% on the flop AND PLAYER_2 have hand vs. hand equity of at least 50% on the river) */ as COUNT1
from game='holdem', syntax='Generic',
board='AdQs6c',
PLAYER_1='8h6d',
PLAYER_2='100%'
=> We are ahead on the flop and behind on the river 14.0% of the time.
Feel free to repeat with your estimate of villain's limping range.
We probably have have something like 60% equity vs villain's range. Which means the value of his equity we fold out is 0.4 * 2 = 0.8 BB
This is pretty signifcant relative to our stack. But it's value is dramatically decreased if villain is limping to trap with regularity @ this depth.
Whether we can do better than taking down the 2BB in the pot on the flop depends on how often villain will bluff his stack off when we check to him.
It's probably pretty close.
If villain is aggressive we should be c/c flop and bluff catch turn and river because villain doesn't actually improve enough by the river that it worries us too much.
BUT if villain was aggressive, he probably wouldn't be limping @ 8BB.
I would probably c/c here and look to bluff catch depending on reads I had about villain's trappiness, and barrelling tendencies from earlier in the match.