Where to start, I love HT husng's i feel as though i learn something every game its so fast. Im in the middle of conquering my gambling and tilt issues lol and i promised my gf i will do things properly instead of jumping up stakes to get money quick.
I am not turning pro as i am a losing player so far over a small sample (2kish games at all different stakes, its a mess)
But it is what i one day wish to do, i dont care about working a dead end job to make other people rich, i want to play poker for a living! and i will succede one way or the other. Anyway to the questions
1. What stakes do most decide to turn pro at husng's (i know it depends but on average?)
2. How much of a life roll do you need before even attempting to make these your job?
3. Do any of you guys get burnout from grinding these for a living?
4. Whats a daily routine of a husng pro? and how stressfull is it?
5. How much time do you dedicate to study and reviewing your hands?
6. If your a pro when did you decide to turn pro? what triggered that mentality of i dont need a regular job i can do this!.
Theres plenty i could ask but i will try and keep it short. Thanks in advance for your time :D
My Challenge will be starting the beginning of febuary, i will start a thread in the goals section and update regular to keep my self grounded. I think this could be the most important thing i need in my game a poker diary where i can pick apart my flaws.
(Sorry if its hard to read i was in a rush )
You are a pro, as soon as you make a living out of poker income. How much this has to be, depends on your standards and your required income...life costs in Thailand are much lower than in Germany the USA or Canada.
It is not that you will choose to become a pro at the beginning of your journey...once you can beat your enemies or opponents, that is when you decide if you go all out and become a full time pro.
Hi.
"Hard way to make an easy living"
1 & 2:
If you get good (top 5% or so at a stake I'd guess?) HT HUSNGs are beatable for about 3% ROI.
You can play about 15 games per hour per table which means for typical stakes you'd be making 0.45 buyins / h / t.
For higher stakes games 100+ I understand ROIs drop to about 2% for solid winning players, meaning you'd be making 0.3 buyins / h /t.
If you're playing for a living, you cannot afford to go broke. Something in the range of 100-200 buyins for the stake you're playing seems reasonable for a good winning player to create an extremely low risk of ruin.
Your expected prerakeback & pretax weekly pay (note there will be large deviations to this in your actual results) for 20, 30 and 40 hours play time per week are calculated in the table below for some assumed ROIs at various typical stakes. The bankroll for 100buyins and 200buyins are also calculated.
B
100B
200B
ROI
$ / h / t
W = 20
W = 30
W = 40
3.50
350
700
5%
2.63
52.50
78.75
105.00
7.00
700
1,400
4%
4.20
84.00
126.00
168.00
15.00
1,500
3,000
4%
9.00
180.00
270.00
360.00
30.00
3,000
6,000
3%
13.50
270.00
405.00
540.00
60.00
6,000
12,000
3%
27.00
540.00
810.00
1,080.00
100.00
10,000
20,000
2%
30.00
600.00
900.00
1,200.00
200.00
20,000
40,000
2%
60.00
1,200.00
1,800.00
2,400.00
300.00
30,000
60,000
2%
90.00
1,800.00
2,700.00
3,600.00
500.00
50,000
100,000
2%
150.00
3,000.00
4,500.00
6,000.00
1,000.00
100,000
200,000
2%
300.00
6,000.00
9,000.00
12,000.00
As Barrin points out the stake you need to be playing to be making a living from poker varies wildly depending on where you live and the lifestyle you desire.
I would add to that, poker is a high risk income and you need to be paid a premium for deriving an income from it if you're a rational person.
Personally, unless the high stakes games were suddenly flooded with fish (unlikely), I will never make more money out of poker than simply selling my skills in a professional environment long term.
Some people also put value on the lifestyle poker can bring, even if the money isn't great for a midstakes professional grinder.
But you can decide for yourself if it's worth investing the time (I'd guess a couple of years?) to become good enough to make a living out of poker within the context of what existing skills you have and the lifestyle you desire.
To be brutally honest, you should be able to work these things out for yourself if you have what it takes to play poker for a living.
Very good stakes-payout analisis. U should pay into consideration the studying hours. p.ex. if u played 30 hours at a 15s and spend like 10 hours looking videos-reviews, then u actually worked 40 hours. So your hourly would be 6,7$ hour, but rewards might be greater for the time u invested studying.
Thanks for the detailed answer. and i like brutally honest answers, it lets me know where i stand and what i need to improve.
Any good +EV things to do outside of poker that help your overall game? like not playing drunk etc?
Poker is a thinking game.
Not playing drunk seems a bit obvious.
Suggest you check out the linked articles in the FAQ page on 2+2 husng forum.
There are some good write ups there from experienced players about what it takes to be successful at poker.