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Advice on how to play Kx (K2s-K5o) OOP around the 12BB

Hello, i seem to be getting myself into trouble when i see a raise and i have K2s or similar low Kx holdings around the 12BB level against readless or aggressive opponents (any opponents really) 

I am thinking - Should i 3b Shove for the fold equity although i have so dominated by their calling range

                        - Should i flat call even though my hand plays poorly post flop and i just seem to be check folding on a load of flops

                        - Should i fold as i will be OOP with a hand that misses so many flops against there near 100% c bet range

Any comments would be greatly appreciated 

cdon3822's picture
Depends on: - opening

Depends on:

- opening range

- call 3b jam range

vs wide openers @ 12BB 3b jam

vs contracted opening ranges (eg they put a lot of their trash in a limping range or fold a lot) mucking it isn't a big mistake imo

You may get dominated sometimes but on the upside you hold a blocker to some of his call 3jam range.

And you can get called by Qx and Jx which you're doing great against.

I would need fairly strong reads that villain nits up his open range end game to not 3b jam tbh.

cdon3822's picture
Quantification of thought process

FYI: EV of 3b jamming compared to folding @ 12BB for various villain (R,C) ranges

where

[R] = min raising range

[C] = call 3b jam range

 

K5o
 
[R]

 
 
10%
20%
30%
40%
50%
60%
70%
80%
90%
100%

[C]
10%
-3.98
-0.49
0.67
1.26
1.60
1.84
2.00
2.13
2.22
2.30

20%
-
-2.85
-0.90
0.08
0.66
1.05
1.33
1.54
1.70
1.83

30%
-
-
-2.11
-0.83
-0.07
0.45
0.81
1.08
1.30
1.47

40%
-
-
-
-1.37
-0.49
0.09
0.51
0.82
1.06
1.25

50%
-
-
-
-
-0.62
-0.02
0.41
0.73
0.99
1.19

60%
-
-
-
-
-
-0.01
0.42
0.74
0.99
1.20

70%
-
-
-
-
-
-
0.27
0.61
0.88
1.09

80%
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
0.83
1.07
1.26

90%
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
1.26
1.44

100%
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
1.61

 

​K2o
 
[R]

 
 
10%
20%
30%
40%
50%
60%
70%
80%
90%
100%

[C]
10%
-4.27
-0.63
0.58
1.18
1.55
1.79
1.96
2.09
2.19
2.27

20%
-
-3.17
-1.11
-0.08
0.53
0.94
1.24
1.46
1.63
1.77

30%
-
-
-2.47
-1.10
-0.28
0.26
0.66
0.95
1.18
1.36

40%
-
-
-
-1.84
-0.87
-0.23
0.23
0.58
0.85
1.06

50%
-
-
-
-
-1.15
-0.46
0.04
0.41
0.69
0.92

60%
-
-
-
-
-
-0.61
-0.09
0.29
0.59
0.83

70%
-
-
-
-
-
-
-0.36
0.06
0.39
0.65

80%
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
0.17
0.48
0.74

90%
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
0.55
0.79

100%
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
0.87

 

K5s
 
[R]

 
 
10%
20%
30%
40%
50%
60%
70%
80%
90%
100%

[C]
10%
-3.07
-0.04
0.98
1.48
1.79
1.99
2.13
2.24
2.33
2.39

20%
-
-2.03
-0.35
0.49
0.99
1.32
1.56
1.74
1.88
1.99

30%
-
-
-1.30
-0.22
0.42
0.85
1.16
1.39
1.57
1.71

40%
-
-
-
-0.57
0.14
0.62
0.96
1.21
1.41
1.57

50%
-
-
-
-
0.07
0.56
0.91
1.17
1.37
1.53

60%
-
-
-
-
-
0.68
1.01
1.26
1.45
1.61

70%
-
-
-
-
-
-
0.94
1.20
1.40
1.56

80%
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
1.47
1.64
1.78

90%
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
1.90
2.01

100%
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
2.21

 

K2s
 
[R]

 
 
10%
20%
30%
40%
50%
60%
70%
80%
90%
100%

[C]
10%
-3.33
-0.17
0.89
1.42
1.73
1.95
2.10
2.21
2.30
2.37

20%
-
-2.26
-0.51
0.37
0.89
1.25
1.50
1.68
1.83
1.95

30%
-
-
-1.60
-0.45
0.24
0.70
1.03
1.27
1.47
1.62

40%
-
-
-
-1.03
-0.22
0.32
0.70
0.99
1.21
1.39

50%
-
-
-
-
-0.34
0.21
0.61
0.91
1.14
1.33

60%
-
-
-
-
-
0.19
0.59
0.89
1.13
1.31

70%
-
-
-
-
-
-
0.37
0.70
0.96
1.16

80%
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
0.87
1.11
1.30

90%
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
1.24
1.41

100%
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
1.55

scoobydoo's picture
Can I ask what software you

Can I ask what software you used to compile this chart? 

cdon3822's picture
MS Excel

MS Excel