Reviewing live while playing $30 hypers on Stars, Coffeeyay plays an opponent with no prior history between them, and in the process discusses a number of interesting topics, including population tendencies, limping or open folding, and trapping.
Coffeeyay is the creator of the CoffeeHUD and his video pack, Math In HUSNGs, is known for helping people improve their play with essential poker math, software use and study habits.
Theses kind of live play videos are the BEST. Keep em coming :)
Swedish
Student who eventually gonna crush. Just learning. PM if u need a analyze-buddy.
Thanks!
Video contains some special guest commentary as well from someone very special to me. See if you can find it! (HINT: 6:41)
So my ears didn't trick me the first time I watched the vid. Although, I was expecting some escalation. Not gonna guess what you did to stop the the special guest. :D
I sucked out on villain--duh!
What's the population tendencies at 7$? Feels like alot of Fit/Fold OOP, as well as either Tight/Loose IP.
Swedish
Student who eventually gonna crush. Just learning. PM if u need a analyze-buddy.
Interesting to see how different coaches have different and totally contradictory opinions on many things.
For example, you sad you call open shoves tighter than nash because population shoves tighter than nash. ZzzTilt in both his video packs suggests calling open shoves wider than nash because population is min-raising and limping strongest hands and they open-shove weaker hands...
I really don't know who is right or wrong so I tend to call close to nash against random villain and adjust my calling range according to my reads...
"If you want to win, you must not lose!"
Well it's important to keep reg play and play vs the population separate.
Vs regs we often call lighter for the reasons you suggest. But the population shoves much tighter. Using the methods outlined in Math in HUSNGs an analysis of the population shows that optimal calling ranges are significantly tighter than Nash at almost every depth (in the very shallow regions 0-3bb it is very hard to get accurate data). There's some weirdness deeper actually like 25bb where open shove ranges are weighted towards low pocket pairs, but that's a very different discussion. It's definitely worth going through the math yourself though, building mixed range models of the population using your database and seeing what comes up though.
I'm not sure how zZz got his ranges or his view, and again maybe he was refering to reg play?
zZz's recent pack would've definitely been focused on regs.
it, if you still aren't sure on this or think that zzz mentioned that when talking about recs/not just regs, let me know and I can get a response from him here too so we can clarify.
Otherwise, what Adam says would make a lot of sense, vs the overall population calling tighter, vs a lot of regs that tend to just jam their weak stuff and minraise/limp their strong hands, calling lighter.
Ok, you are both right.
I just had to watch ZzzTilt videos again and in pack 1, he refers to the "game plan against an aggressive opponent",
and in pack 2 he is talking about the "game plan against regs".
That clarifies things.
Thanks for your answers guys.
"If you want to win, you must not lose!"
Good video. I have a couple questions if you don't mind.
T8o @ ~0:35
You state that you tend to check behind with thin value hands, such as T8o, instead of raising so that you can raise bluffs more often without having too high of a limp-raising frequency. What's the bottom of your limp-raising value range? What hands are you raising limps with as a bluff? Weak suited/offsuit trash, like T2s, 94s, 93o, 82o, etc, and not connected hands, as you mentioned in the video, like 85o, 54o, 62s, 42s?
98o @ 2:41
You say that 98o is a hero fold facing a jam at 6BB "... especially when he doesn't even bet his whole stack." Why does Villian jamming only $150 of his $180 stack seem stronger? It seems more likely to me that it's simply a mistake with the bet slider.
T8o @ 6:30
No question, nh, interesting line. :)
@T8o
Regarding raising limps as a bluff I don't like to share entire ranges without detailed explanations, so I leave that kind of stuff to coaching sessions. It's also still something I've been experimenting with a bit and am continuing to reevaluate and tweak the details to get a good range.
@98o
It doesn't really matter... I guess you're right that a mistake in betslider is plausible. I thought it was more likely to be a calculated size, ie something he thought about and wanted smaller to not intimidate me. Overall not something to really worry too much about and treat just as a regular open shove probably--I might have overreacted. In any case in that spot we're folding just the same so wasn't a big deal fortunately.
I do not understand why you don't shove the T8o when villian raise?
If you're talking about the hand very shallow, I explain a bit in the video. Basically we don't have any fold equity anyways and we can't shove for value, so the best option is to flat and try to play optimally on the flop. That way we can use the knowledge of the flop to our advantage to derive more EV.
Okay thanks now I understand :-)