SpinWiz is the first lobby management software for Spin and Go poker. SpinWiz allows the player more control over the registration process. The tool allows players to control the amount of tables and buyin that they register for automatically. It also allows players to avoid playing their friends in the que.
You can check out a free trial now, at www.spinandgowiz.com. The software costs 25euro per month, or 99euro for 6 months.
The above video explains how to use the software. The software team plans to make this community driven software. Any suggestions for changes can be posted in this thread and the developers will use this feedback for future updates.
The team has also made several committments to users. They have made it clear that players will not be banned from using the software for voicing negative opinions about the software, or any other players or people involved in the software.
Refer to the EULA (last updated August, 2015) for full details on the software policy - http://www.spinandgowiz.com/eula
Is it April fools yet? Most useless soft ever, no offense.... And that awesome price! :D
exactly what i thought.
the advantage of having an autoregging tool is practically non existent for spin and go tourneys. the only use i see for it is that players who cross stake each other or who are in the same stable don´t accidentally play against each other. other than that: waste of money.
and that use for staked players poses a serious problem: the software renders the idea of random opponents a joke if you can avoid certain players and opens doors for the cartelization of spin and gos.
hope PS is banning it, because it gives a certain group of players the unfair advantage of avoiding some players
Hey, some of your conclusions are incorrect.
1) Cartels. It can't make them like Sharky did because the software cannot control the lobbies. It can only let you avoid someone that wants to avoid you. Sharky creates a line of regs that makes it so that if you do not use the software you cannot get a seat vs a recreational. In this software you can still get games of 1-2 recs if you decide not to use it.
2) The usefulness is of course determined by the user, but mainly if you want to avoid playing games with 3 regs in them, this will help. With 5% rake and random registration, this makes the act of saying "Hey John, did you get a game yet?" when trying to avoid your friend automatic. If you play $15s-30s regularly, it's probably worth the 15 euros a month to avoid a lot of those 2-3 reg games.
This software cannot control the lobbies, avoid randomization nor can it be abused by any "cartels." The nature of spin and gos combined with the way it works makes it such.
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I get that most people see this and say "omg sharky for spin and gos" but trust me, it is not that, this will not disrupt the games and has a minimal impact on players that decide not to use it (since it cannot target players... if you don't use the software I have no idea when you are registering).
true, it does not control the lobbies, but it is possible to reduce randomization (which is really random? 100 out of 100 players in a pool are possible opponents or 80 out of 100 players are possible opponents?). as i said: a stable with maybe 10 players has the opportunity to avoid members of the stable. this is an unfair advantage, because the stable can play as a group (not on the same table, but within the pool).
the fact of the matter is that over time practically all regs will use it, which will result in the following:
a) the playerpool for the recreational player will be the full pool (say 100 players)
b) the playerpool for the reg will only be a portion of the pool (say 80 players)
you don´t have to be a mathematical genius to conclude that for regs it will be much more likely to be seated with weak players than with strong players
as i said: that turns the idea of randomization into a joke, if the chance of being drawn to the same table as player x is 0. it´s not random anymore, plain and simple.
That's still a little off base compared to the reality though.
Right now, there are people who say "Hey John, when you get a game, let me know so I can register and not get seated with you." This really just automates that, similar to automatic note taking.
If 100 regs use it AND avoid each other, it means that those 100 regs are sat out of the next 300 players minimum.
In reality, the software will not be able to seat one reg per game, so it's more like 100 regs are sat over the next 350-400 players.
And everyone can use it. Rather than having it only accessible to a group of staked players or friends (lets them avoid each other automatically), it's far more fair to allow everyone to use the same thing.
It is true that regs will be more likely to be seated with non regs (assuming many regs use this software). That will make these games a little more sustainable with the 5% rake and random prize pools.
But, it does not block players from getting tables with regs or with recs, nor does it allow you to target individual players like non users (the registration is still random).
Those are some pretty huge differences to HUSNGs, and I actually think this is very necessary to help make this format more playable. It's basically taking the "wait your turn in a skype chat" out of play, and automating that (and automating # of tables, buyins you want to register).
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Imo one time fee 25 euro would be acceptable only for very lazy people, who likes to play long sessions and plays many tables at once, but this offer is just ridiculous.
Also I don't agree on comments that the bonus of it is to decrease the amount of regs for the same tables if you multi-table, because at this format rec players are much more than regs and also the total player pool is so big that there is very low probability to see the same player at another table.
If you want to make some money on this format then better create some video strategy pack, since there in none available at market atm, I guess many would be interested to get some useful info at 3-way play.
That's a fair opinion. There's a free trial available, so any user can try it totally free and see if it is valuable to them or not. If it is not, then certainly no need to buy it.
This tool, while we have a small interest in it, is not really expected to be a huge moneymaker for us. We were approached by the team and we wanted to make sure that a tool like this was done properly, including being developed with the community's feedback, and refund guarantees as well as not banning users on personal vendettas. I personally feel it will be a useful tool, even if you use it more to avoid certain players (friends, study partners), you'd rather be playing a random reg than your friend who is a reg in these games.
Video pack, we're already there, have some great stuff in the works.
take this as you want, but having software preventing regs from playing each other and ensuring only 1 reg per game in spinngo (as opposed to maybe 2) will actually be a good thing for fish/games (unlike the hu cartels).
If you are a fish would u rather be vs 1 reg and 1 fish or play with 2 regs and yourself?
if i were a fish i wouldn´t even be thinking about the problem.
what amazes me is that none of you guys seems to have a problem with the fact that this software ridicules the concept of random assignment, which is the central concept of these sit and gos. you can intellectualize it in any way you want and you may even be right that it may benefit the fish-to-reg-ratio, but that doesn´t make it ok to make the game a little more random for some people than for others.
fish do think about the problem, altho not in the same way. Playing live poker how often do u hear a fish say "man ill never play at xxx poker game, i cant win there." To a person knowledgeable about the game, this phrase sounds ridiculous. However look deeper into it.
If the fish was playing in a game full of pros at said location, he may not be aware that they are all pros. He just knows he cant win. It has nothing to do with the physical location (like the fish seems to believe) but there is a real effect that he doesn't want to play in that game anymore and will look elsewhere.
Now onto the spinngos. If a fish is constantly playing vs 2 regs, he will win significantly less often than he would if he were playing 1 rec and 1 pro. If it becomes the norm that its 2regs vs a fish, the fish will quit because "they cant win at that game." If the fish is matched with another fish and a pro, you throw him a bone and increase his win percentage as well, leaving him more satisfied and likely to continue playing the game again.
In regards to " ridicules the concept of random assignment", if its an issue, stars will fix it. It really is as simple as that. I assume u dont have a problem with HUDs, and those "ridicule the concept of gathering reads."
"if i were a fish i wouldn´t even be thinking about the problem."
Then why even mention recs?
"what amazes me is that none of you guys seems to have a problem with the fact that this software ridicules the concept of random assignment, which is the central concept of these sit and gos."
It really just automates the simple concept of friends taking turns registering. Otherwise, this program cannot do what the HUSNG programs do... it cannot target a specific reg, it cannot block regs from getting recs, it cannot create divisions.
The lobbies are just as random as if players sat in a chat and decided to register after one another (btw, players do this already, with automated scripts, this script is just public).
Right now this is not very useful, but in 6 month time it will probably be necessary.
I played 1000s of 7$ and 15$ games and still get fish something like 90% of time (this is just a guess). But the quality of players is improving every month.
I don't see that many people that limp-call shove with T4s 25bb deep like they used to 2 month ago, they are still here but just not so many.
The problem in these games is not the number of regs but high rake and high variance when compared to HU Hypers.
What I would like to see is someone making nice HUD for Spin and goes. That would be much more useful than this software right now.
"If you want to win, you must not lose!"
in 6 mths time it will probably be not permitted to use
since amaya have already announced they are trying to rid the site of seating scripts
It's quite possible that Amaya bans all seating scripts. It's probably a little more likely that they ban certain functions that end up effectively banning most current scripts.
The issue of scripts is mostly an issue in cash games. What happens is, a bad players its in a mid to high stakes game, and the seating scripts race to register players into that game. So the bad player goes to a table with 2-3 players, and it's instantly full and a big wait list appears. Then he stops playing and everyone else sits out/quits/wait list disappears.
It's a pretty bad image for poker.
The spin and go registrator can't find someone who isn't using the program to sit them, so it's not really capable of targeting a player and making them feel uncomfortable to an extreme extent. That is really the biggest difference between the outrage of the cash game seating scripts and this registration program.
The HUSNG one is even more unique, and has its own sets of positives and negatives. Ultimately, without lobby changes to HUSNGs (not randomized seating and not "everyone is free to sit at any time, no modifications to open registration"), I think the current HUSNG registration program(s) are a necessarily thing (a necessarily evil to some, a necessarily program to others).
It remains to be seen if Stars decides to treat the functions of these scripts independently, or just blanket ban anything that looks like a seating script. History suggests that they will analyze the function of these programs, rather than grouping them all into one blanket category. That does not mean that some will be banned and others survive, however. It could mean they are all banned, or all need to retool. We don't really know. That's a big reason why I'm working with this group. The creators of this program are committed to refunding players in the event that the tool cannot be used. They plan to stand by their customers, and that's a requirement for HUSNG.com to be working with any seating script program.
Nice post thanks for the info rypac as always this site continues to show true integrity i like it alot
hello if pokerstars investigates the members list of people who registered for spinnwiz, can they be banned? i want to buy this product but im scared if pokerstars looks it might lead to them banning all the regs they see on the registered list. am i talking nonsense ?/
PokerStars has reviewed and approved this software for use while their poker software is running. It is safe to use.
the software doesnt seem to differentiate between spins and other tables
if i want to 2 table spins and play something scheduled (which will vary in number while the 2 spins will not) i have to adjusting the max # tables on the fly, its an annoyance
may have been fixed already?
i was able to reg a single spin as a test while multitabling with 2 max tables and play {0} games under session (which is always one digit off it seems, tell it to reg 20 it regs 21)