Hello,
I will just shortly introduce myself because i'm planning on posting a lot more from now on:
My name is Timothy, and once upon a time when I started with Poker I started with HUSNG's.
I wasn't very succesfull (breakeven on the 7's) and shortly after told to switch to 6-max CG, so I did.
A year later and beating nl50zoom my flat was flooded and I had to take out nearly all of my bankroll to pay for the dmg.(at this point: excuse my bad english I'm from austria) So I decided to rebuild, but soon I was very bored by grinding CG nl2-5 and decided to try HU Hypers again.
Boy oh boy, I missed this. I honestly love this format. It's quick, it's agressive, it's raw, it's 1n1 and I just love stomping people.(Note that I come from a competetive gaming backround so I sure like the challenge) I know I still have a far way to go but seem to get the fundamentals by now of this format. I am still getting used to all the different lines and an infinite amount of agression compared to 6-max CG. What bothers me though are my winnings. "Bothers" might be the wrong word. I actually enjoy learning all this new stuff and beeing a loser motivates me for some reason.
So looking at my winnings the EV graph is slightly above breakeven after 340 HU Hyper Turbos(0.41roi). I know this is not a lot and I need 3-5k before I can make an educated guess about winrate and stuff but this is not the question. I also bought Sentin's and Chadder0 packs back in the day when playing the 7's and digged them out and rewatched them. Chadder says in 1 video that if I want to take a look at how well I'm doing I'm not supposed to filter for $/game but for chip/hand (correct me if I'm wrong.)
so that's a very different graph. I have about 10k chips in ev after 4k hands. Not a very good winrate for HU Hypers, I'm sure, but probably winning?
So what do I look at? Why is this so different? I guess chips don't take rake in consideration? But this can't be the only reason can it?
To be honest(and I probably just want to tell myself that), the chips/hand graph looks alot more like playing feels like.
I will put in more volume will both graphs go together upwards? Do I need a certain chips/hand rate to become a winning player?
sorry for the long post, I hope you can help me - looking forward to participating in this forum.
again sorry for my bad english!
have a great day,
Timothy
Long story short in case I didnt make this clear. I dont want to know if I'm a wining player, because I know the sample size is far from big enough, I just want to know which graph too look on once I'M there :)
cheers,
Timothy
Hi Timothy,
Good that you're looking forward to participating in this forum, I just started doing it as well a few weeks ago.
It depends on what you want to know. You can get the profit/game by some transformations from the chip/hand. You need a certain chips/hand rate to be a winning player but you have to know how many hands you play a game, to know the certain chips/hand rate to be profitable. Because you pay rake/game not rake/hands. Winning chips isn't enough to make profit. The profit will come after you beat the rake. I calculated for you the amount of chips/game you have to win to beat the rake.
x=winnings per game
(500+x)/1000 = ITM%
ITM%*prizepool = expected value after one game
So for instance the rake is 5% and you're playing 1 dollar hu to make it simple.
The expected value after one game = 1 in the case that you play break even.
The prizepool = 2x0,95=1,9
(500+x)/1000*1,9=1
(500+x)*1,9=1000
500+x=1000/1,9=526,...
x = 526,...-500=26 chips per game to play break even. You can fill in your own number to calculate the chips/game rate you need in your case.
So now we know that we have to win 26 chips to play break even, we can compute how many chips/hand we have to win. (If you want to know this). Just divide 26 by the average amount of hands you play/game.
If you want to know how many chips/game you have to win to make a ROI of 5% just fill 1,05*buy in for expected value after one game.
The evWinningsgraph should be in line with the evChip graph corrected by the rake.
Hopefully this helped you, let me know if you need some more help;)
I am interested to enroll in a short term 'staking only' program or a long term staking combined with coaching program.
awesome, thank you for your reply - all questions answered - and probably a few more :)
thank you sir! I guess I should learn some math again...
I currently make about 35chips per game(15k chips in 430 tournaments), so far from perfect but I guess I'm heading in the right direction :)
gl at the tables
Timothy
simply use c net adjusted line on your graph and the adjusted roi stat in your information box for husngs.
It will tell you how well you are running and the ev roi is the best measure as to whether you are beating the games and by what margin.
2-3% is respectable @ 7s
3-4% is very solid
5-7% is crushing
Over good samples.
Glgl
thanks teddy,
I guess after 500 games I'm crushing the 1.50's and 3.50's - or variance is my biggest friend. I like a 5% ev roi :D gonna play up to 1k games now on the 3.50's and hopefully improve there a lot so I can move up to the 7's.
Coming from CG I have to say, gosh those people suck postflop.
may the flop be with us.
Timothy