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BlackMath's picture
$100 - Tricky raise on turn by hero.

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Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, November 12, 08:40:24 ET 2009
Table TURBO NLH Heads Up 100  364906561 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 3: Hero ( $1500.00 USD )
Seat 8: Kona04 ( $1500.00 USD )
Hero posts small blind [$10.00 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$20.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [  Ad Th ]
Hero raises [$50.00 USD]
Kona04 raises [$120.00 USD]
Hero calls [$80.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qc, 8h, Js ]
Kona04 checks
Hero checks
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
Kona04 bets [$120.00 USD]
Hero raises [$350.00 USD]

First hand of the match, so no reads at all.

I think this is a great spot for a play like this one. Do you agree?

I no nothing about his 3-bet pf range, but based on him checking the flop, i guess the Q is unlikely.

We have a decent draw and i believe he is representing a J, which we probably can force to fold here. What are your thoughts about this spot, and what conditions do you require to make a play like this?

xSCWx's picture
I don't think that your

I don't think that your line really matches up to any hands played normally. I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing.

lovelydonk's picture
i woulda try a double small

i woulda try a double small barrels one on the flop to see his reaction and if just called one on the turn . but if i get reraised on the flop a decent amount i just fold and wait for a better oportunity

lungov's picture
if he has J then he probably

if he has J then he probably has AJ, he wouldn't 3bet KJ-; i dont know what you guys think, i would put him on TT-QQ, AT and AK; what did he do?

Radeh's picture
I'm not really sure what

I'm not really sure what hand you're trying to represent. What hand would you check on this flop, and then C/R on the turn except for 33? I'd probably call you quite light...or bluff-shove over your raise.

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AQs's picture
  i guess the Q is

  i guess the Q is unlikely

nope,is the 1st hand and u can't know his tendencies in rr flops,could be easily a strong hand that is tring to c\r or hide is strongness,expecialy when fire the turn like that.And no, you actually have not a decent draw

 

jackoneill's picture
I wouldn't flat any 3bets

I wouldn't flat any 3bets with AT early in the match without any reads, you're just too easily dominated by better Aces and have no idea where you're at.

I'd rather be much more inclined to defend with something like J9ss.


Nomboo's picture
Wow

That's a risky play considering it is the first hand of the match and you know nothing about your opponent

I think I would just fold on the turn here, you still have 1380 behind

beatmeupaa's picture
First hand and you are cold

First hand and you are cold calling a 3bet vs a unknown villain with ATo? Pretty weak hand to do that without a solid read imho.

Flop gives you basically nothing but a gutshot and he checks to you? So either he has like small pocket pair or quite a good hand I would think.

Maybe 77+ or AJ+ and normally you cbet nearly 100% of the 3bet flops, because you showed so much strenght before the flop. His reason for not cbetting is either, that he hopes you catched a pair and you will bet because he has a made hand, or he has like 77, 99 or TT and does not like the J and Q on the flop. 

I would have folded the hand preflop, but I would definitely never reraise on the turn and if I would do so because I have a read, I would bet bigger.

jackoneill's picture
Well, even if he has exactly

Well, even if he has exactly this hand - would he really fold to a raise, considering that you're also not really representing anything ?

If you actually hit a J or Q here, wouldn't you bet the flop after he checked to you ?

So I wouldn't just assume to fold out any pair with one single raise here, you're really need to follow up on the river - but you know nothing about this player or his ranges to have any idea what he's holding here and which river cards would be safe to fire again.

Your raise is basically a "dark tunnel bluff" - you raise, hoping that he'll fold, knowing nothing about his range, and being forced to give up on the hand if it doesn't work out.


jacksalive's picture
As this is first hand of

As this is first hand of match and we know nothing about villans three betting range lets give him a standard range of  88+ AK, AQ, AJ and since this is first hand a few random bluffs, of which in Villains shoes I fold all my bluffs and probably even make the call with AKo.

If you are going to bluff get your story straight first. In villans shoes I would just see this as you calling BS on my BS.