Hey all,Hand 1:I flop top pair (weak kicker) on a monotone hearts board, and my opponent donks out for 80 chips. I have very little information on my opponent (11th hand of the match), but he's donked 60-80 chips on the flop the previous two times he has called my raise. In one of those hands, he followed my call of his donk with a half-pot double barrel.Questions:My opponent donks 80 into a unconnected yet monotone board. Holding top pair, what do I do?
- Should I raise to protect my top pair from an Ace or 4th heart, or is calling the superior line? Is a standard 3x raise appropriate (if raising is the correct line)?
- If my opponent shoves over my raise, am I ahead of enough of his range to call? I'd imagine that any pair+heart is shoving in addition to top pairs and possibly nut flush draws.
########################################## Blinds : 10/20 ########################################## [But]+[SB] Hapak (1320) [BB] Villain (1680) hapak K 7 Initial Pot: 30 hapak raises to 60 Villain calls 40 ### FLOP ### K 8 3 Pot: 120 Villain bets 80 hapak ? Hand 2:This is a few hands later into the match, and I'm convinced at this point I'm dealing with a very aggressive player. I call pocket 4's for set value and flop the nuts.Questions:
- I take a check-raise line on the flop, which made sense to me considering his aggressive reputation. My questions are mostly on the turn and river.
- Should I be leading the turn here? I figured that the board was dangerous, so I should bet to price him out of any draws (button raising range was pretty much any two cards, so low card draws and flush draws are possible). If leading the turn is correct, how is my bet-sizing (I tried to set up my stack for a pot-sized shove on the turn)?
- On the river, I ended up shoving, but I'm torn between shoving for value and letting him take a bluff at the board.
########################################## Blinds : 10/20 ########################################## [But]+[SB] Villain (1490) [BB] hapak (1510) hapak 4 4 Initial Pot: 30 Villain raises to 60 hapak calls 40 ### FLOP ### 7 4 2 Pot: 120 hapak checks Villain bets 60 hapak raises to 180 Villain calls 120 ### TURN ### 5 Pot: 480 hapak bets 300 Julae calls 300 ### RIVER ### 9 Pot: 1080 hapak ?
On hand 1 raising 3x is good and I like just calling the flop. If he barrels like he did last time im probably calling any non heart and calling river as long as he isn't bombing the pot. If he checks the turn go ahead and bet for value on non hearts and again on the river, trying to make your betsizing look like a FD.On hand 2 you need to barrel the turn but I would be making it a little more. First off making it 200-220 on the flop is probably better than 180 just because you are basically betting 120 into 240 with that c/r size and like you said the board is drawy. As played betting a bit more on the turn is best just because his flush draws/straight draws are going to do the same thing vs 340/320 as they do against 300, same for pairs. If you make it more on the turn it makes your river jam 910 into 1120 which just looks a lot more callable than 950 into 1080. And you have to jam the river unless you KNOW he never has a pair here and only draws because you can get hero called by any of the pairs and people bluff their missed draws way less than they need to be to make checking here profitable.
Hand 1: agree with thepuminator besides on the river i'd consider checking behind bc. a) we don't know if he will c/r bluff us with 3 hearts out there b) you'll get an insight to his donkbetting range. Hand 2: flop:given his agressive rep i wouldn't c/r bc he could have so many hands that he could fold that we'd like to keep in.Turn: looks fine to me River: agree with what thepuminator says tho i'd prefer a bet of maybe 400? to try and get herocalled by pairs and weak two pairs if you think he can fold thoose to a shoove
Hand 1 - Normally a flat call is fine, but since he's donking into you so often, a raise is probably best. You can get into some tricky situations at times, but as long as you don't do anything crazy (like turn Kx into a bluff on a 4 flush board or stack off with it on a 4 flush board) you should be better off raising for value here and pumping the pot on non flush turns.Hand 2 - I agree with Pumi about the flop raise being larger. Your turn bet can then be larger as well (it already could be, but I wouldn't say 300 is a leak, if he calls with a flush draw that's often a pretty horrible call against your range here, but if you can go bigger it's always best to squeek out more value from an opponent).I would then look at shoving the river for value.
Many thanks for the comments and help!@ Rypac - You mention that normally, flat-calling the spot in hand 1 is the standard play, but raising is better against an aggressive opponent. I'm curious why this isn't the other way around? For example, would turning hand 1 into a bluff-catching hand against an aggressive opponent (barring a 4th heart) be a better way to extract value? Thanks again,Hapa
Good question.If they are donk betting a lot of pairs and draws, it's pretty much guaranteed that raising for value is the best play.However, if they are bluffing tons and firing multiple streets with those bluffs, then calling against the aggro can be good.Normally calling is good so that you don't overplay your hand, build too large of a pot against what may be a tighter range than your hand, and you also allow them to continue to bluff some % of the time.So, to correct my previous response or clarify it, I would say to try to figure out what exactly he is donk betting. If he's donking every hand, this deep I kind of like a raise if we don't know his turn/river frequencies. I just think you'll likely get too much value from weaker hands to pass up on a raise at deeper stacks. If you're shorter stacked, you can afford to just call and allow him to potentially bluff the turn, since you can still get your stack in with 1-2 bets when stacks are short (if he checks the turn).The less deep stacks become the more I'd be willing to "see" if he'll keep firing streets and feel it's less necessary to build a larger pot and take advantage of all the weaker hands that are likely to call from a wide leading opponent.So those are really all the variables I try to balance in these situations, to make the best decision.
Thanks for the reply Rypac - the point about relative pot sizes in our decisions against aggressive players is great! Can't wait to try it out at the tables =)Best,Hapa
What's monotonous mean?
Jess "Neurism" Farmer
Neurism, I think he means a 3 flush board. No problem hapahauli!
lol "monotonous" sounds like a mouth disease