This is the second hand of the game. No read. First hand villain min to 40, you 3bet w AA to 120. Villain folds.PokerStars Hand #74595222326: Tournament #507500597, $3.29+$0.21 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2012/01/27 18:38:41 CT [2012/01/27 19:38:41 ET] Table '507500597 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: VILLIAN (1460 in chips) Seat 2: TDoodle (1540 in chips) TDoodle: posts small blind 10 VILLAIN: posts big blind 20 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to TDoodle [2c Js] TDoodle: raises 40 to 60 VILLAIN: calls 40 *** FLOP *** [Th 2s 2d] VILLAIN: checks TDoodle: bets 60 VILLAIN: calls 60 *** TURN *** [Th 2s 2d] [9s] VILLAIN: checks TDoodle: ??????????????? What would be the best line to take to get max value?Check to look weak after his flop call, or bet to build the pot? AFter a few replies, I'll post what I did
Readless, betting 1/2 to 3/4 pot on turn and 3/4 pot on river. Most villains wont mess around on that kinda flop, so you aren't getting called by much, Tx, 2x, pocket pairs, Ax and some overcards from station happy players. I wouldn't trap so early without a read that he stabs back much.Also flatting that AA and checkraising flop or turn.
IMO not betting the turn is a monumental mistake. Villain's range includes Tx, Ax, random floats like KQ, KJ, QJ we MUST bet turn to build the pot/charge draws, otherwise we are massively limiting the size of pot we can win on the river. The portion of the time villain has maybe an Ax he is willing to fold or has air is far too small a part of his range to warrant checking this turn. There is more to gain betting than checking I think.To me, betting turn here is mandatory, probably just under 2/3 of pot. @above - not 3betting AA at the beginning is a big waste of value - by only flatting pre you are stunting the size of the pot by the river - it will be hard to stack off AND be ahead without a set this deep.
theres both arguments for bet or check1) im more on the bet side, since the Turn card drastically changes the dynamic of the hand in context, since now a flush draw and straight draw can call you now. in essence, villains continuance range actually increased due to the turn card..VIllains floats with JQ,JK, is now calling ur turn barrel, since there overcard equity improves with the 4-extra outs of gutshot equity...i would barrell turn for the reasoning of equity protection, and equity charging...charging all of villains drawing hand range, since ur dont want villain to have max implied odds of sucking out on u, with his FD+SD...as far as bet sizing goes, i prefer a 1/3-1/2 pot bet.. somewhat inducing a spazz CR from villain with draw, where u could take the bet/3-bet line while holding max equity...or u could price villain to call... If villain bricks river, we could assume tht villain is now more willing to fight for the pot, since he has commited more chips on the turn:theres now 400-480 pot to fight for as opposed to 240 pot size, if indeed u checked turn for deception...the bet turn, imo, is for villain to feel more pot commited, thus giving him a chance to spazz jam river, if he missed..lol: implied spazz value. with small turn bet...i could see a check turn for deception capping ur hand range, but in essence, u sacrifice so much value from not charging SD+FD in villains hand range, if u opted to check turn...imo: bet small turn for value/deception
Agreed, the added bluff value from checking the turn is easily outweighed by the added value you get from betting the turn (in short, bet the turn!).I wouldn't go below half pot on the turn readless either. It may induce a tilted bluffy type villain, but it also scares away some other types of villains (so many players bet small with big hands, plus if you're making a mistake early by calling or folding a bit too often vs small bets, your mistakes are not that large... apply that theory to your opponents and you want them making larger mistakes, not smaller mistakes... I always love to see smaller bet sizing opponents, it gives you a better cushion/margin for error until your information gains clarify your perception of their frequencies/hand ranges).