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4betting vs 4-bet-shoving big pairs

Hi,

Let's assume we're at 10/20 even-stacked against a very aggressive maniacle player who 3bets extremely light - you open to 60 and he makes it 160-180 a lot and whenever you limp, he either checks back and overbets the flop or raises you to the same 160-180 amount.

What's the best way of getting value when you have a big pair TT-QQ ?

I played against some of these guys a lot this week I 4bet them to 1/3rd of my stack, leaving myself with exactly one pot-sized bet at the flop.  Unfortunately, this went horribly wrong and I lost 5 buy-ins against complete idiots.

I 4-bet shoved the TT because I was too scared of seeing an overcard, the guy snapcalled with 76s (why do people even call with this trash ???) and sucked out on me.

In the other hands, I had JJ-KK, there was one overcard on the board and the guy donk-shoved - can I ever get away from the hand in a situation like this, after putting 1/3rd of my stack into the pot pre and getting 2:1.

Was it even the right play to 4bet these hands or shove I have flat called and shoved with an overpair instead ?

Maybe I'm just running incredibly bad at the moment - I'm down 15 buy-ins this week, I simply lose every all-in with a big pair and every monkey hits his gutshots against me :-(

Jack

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The answer is going to

The answer is going to change from villain to villain. If he likes to reshove then you can raise him normal size, if he is a drooler then you can raise him small to drag him into the pot, if he is a thinking player you might be able to overshove and get him to assume you have AX and don't want to take a flop, if he is LAGtarded then you can just call him down to let him keep bluffing...

There isn't any answer that is going to apply to all opponents. You just need to use the factors available to you to decide what you think will get the most out of them.