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A9 3bet pot

  No Limit Holdem Tournament • 2 Players$22+$1Hand converted by the official HUSNG.com hand converterSBtamariz091390 BBHero1610 Effective Stacks: 70bbBlinds 10/20Pre-Flop (30, 2 players)Hero is BB tamariz09 raises to 60, Hero raises to 240, tamariz09 calls 180Flop (480, 2 players) Hero bets 260, tamariz09 calls 260Turn (1000, 2 players)Hero goes all-in 1110, tamariz09 goes all-in 890River (3000, 2 players, 2 all-in)Final Pot: 3000tamariz09 shows high card Ace - Jack+Ten kicker Hero shows high card Ace tamariz09 wins 2780 ( won +1390 )Hero lost -1390 Here i chose to 3bet A9 for value cause villain was loose. I like the C bet on the flop, although it should have been a little bigger so that I can set myself up for potential turn shove. On the turn i opted for an overbet shove as I "only" need him to fold 52-53% of the time. But then again he is so loose that he could probably call me down with bottom pair.. Im a little confused here maybe check/fold the turn is a better line or??

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Against this loose player...

Against a loose player, I think you probably don't want to fire more than one barrel here, but if you have a solid read that he will fold for two barrels, then perhaps it's the right thing to do.The board is dry, so it's a decent (but maybe not great) board to cbet against a loose player. However, as I said, if you have a read on this player that he is frequently folding to two barrels, then maybe it's worth a cbet/double barrel.I think your problem may have started preflop. Your raise size is probably a little big...maybe 200 would be a better 3B size. With the slightly larger raise, your stack sizes suddenly become very awkward.Actually, against this loose player, perhaps a straight 3x (180) is best here. You are likely to get into very tricky spots postflop if you don't hit and you are playing a guessing game. If you raise to 180, then you have 1210 behind with pot size of 360. You can then cbet 180, bringing the pot size to 720 with 1030 behind. In this way, you are risking less, and if he has shown that he will fold frequently to a double barrel, then you can bet somewhere around 360-380. If called, shut down. You will have plenty of chips remaining to have good play against this loose player.But unless you have the read that he will frequently fold to two barrels, OR if he is not folding often enough on the flop, I would fire only one or no barrels. You can choose much better spots later in the tournament. You do not need to win here. There are lots of chips left.So to highlight the point, the most important thing in this hand is whether he will fold to a double barrel frequently. And secondarily, whether he is much more prone to fold to the double barrel if it is larger. But I'm guessing (based on stack sizes) this is one of the first few hands in the match and you haven't developed such in-depth reads yet.EDIT: I also meant to say, lacking this read, this is an especially bad card to double barrel, as if he liked his hand on the flop, he always surely still likes it on the turn.

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I didnt have a read that he

I didnt have a read that he would fold but i have been incorporating a 3 bet around the size of 1/6 of the effective stacks as a general stratetgy to try it out. This is something Skates has recommened in some of his videos, and the reason is that if the vilain calls this 3 bet and flats a normal sized c-bet we will have around a pot sized bet left on the turn where we can shove effectively. This way you only have to play 2 streets OOP instead of 3. This has worked very well for me against many of my opponents at the 10.50 reg and 11.50 turbos.But like you say this will probably be most effective against a player that will play mostly fit or fold, and i probably have to adapt this strategy against a player where there is little to none fold equity. I am also unsure if I should do this 1/6 sized 3 bet this early in the game, anyone else also using this 3 bet sizing?