Hi all, I'm playing on stars microstake ($1.50-$3.50). The last weeks looks like i've played only with hyperaggro maniac guys. I like play against aggro opponents but now im running badly. My adapt what i've learnt from the videos: I usually try to slow down the game, merge my limping and raising ranges and tighten them up, i try to controll the pot size and these things. It works against most aggro guys but at this time im playing against maniacs. They don't have fold button and no respect for any raising, 3betting... What else can i do when im card dead? Or in 3bet pots where I'm not hitting anything on flop and they attacking with overbets which is can be bluffs but can be any 2nd 3rd pair,draw or better, etc. where im far behind at that stage. I tried to attacking back on dry flops, stimes works but not against maniacs.Thanks any advice, Dan
Post a 10-15 hand HH against one of these guys in the situation you're talking about. It may take a bit to find the right length, but if it's 30-50 hands nobody is going to really look at it I think (plus 10-15 hands is fine to analyze a few key hands in the match).A good rule of thumb: Against most aggros you not only need to be aware of building pots with weak hands and then playing passively on latter streets (because a laggy player calls early streets and raises early streets wide, then has a lot of weak hands at showdown they try to push you out of the pot with), but you also need to find spots where they are weak (again, latter streets often) and push them off those weak hands.Now, against crazier guys that really never fold, you can actually take that "tight, value" approach. Often people take the tight value approach against laggy players they should not be playing so tight against, and that's when you run into trouble (folding too much all over the place). Only tighten up a lot and play that nittier game against the craziest of maniacs (exceptions are in a very slow and deep structure, say 10 min reg speeds, no blind increases or deep stack husng games).
Thanks the advices Ryan.I've already watched back some HH and yes i fold more often than it necessary but hard to decide when to move when lot of hands beat you...I tried to find some good example but really hard to take some hands off from the whole game, so its not the best without gameflow, preflop wars and these things...But lets see maybe works... so, this opp stats:sbvpip 83, bbvpip 68, 3bet 20, CB 60chk/call on flop 75, lead 29 first hand obvious fold: Seat 1: denszi (1500 in chips)Seat 2: TThor9293 (1500 in chips)denszi: posts small blind 10TThor9293: posts big blind 20*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to denszi [6h 6d]denszi: raises 40 to 60TThor9293: raises 60 to 120denszi: calls 60*** FLOP *** [Jh 5c Th]TThor9293: bets 1380 and is all-indenszi: foldsUncalled bet (1380) returned to TThor9293TThor9293 collected 240 from potTThor9293: doesn't show hand*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 240 | Rake 0Board [Jh 5c Th]Seat 1: denszi (button) (small blind) folded on the FlopSeat 2: TThor9293 (big blind) collected (240) first time he shoved the river, he shoved me his bluff:Seat 1: denszi (1560 in chips)Seat 2: TThor9293 (1440 in chips)denszi: posts small blind 10TThor9293: posts big blind 20*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to denszi [Jh 9s]denszi: raises 40 to 60TThor9293: calls 40*** FLOP *** [2h 4c 9d]TThor9293: bets 20denszi: raises 80 to 100TThor9293: calls 80*** TURN *** [2h 4c 9d] [Ad]TThor9293: checksdenszi: checks*** RIVER *** [2h 4c 9d Ad] [6h]TThor9293: bets 1280 and is all-indenszi: foldsUncalled bet (1280) returned to TThor9293TThor9293 collected 320 from potTThor9293: shows [3d 7d] (high card Ace)*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 320 | Rake 0Board [2h 4c 9d Ad 6h]Seat 1: denszi (button) (small blind) folded on the RiverSeat 2: TThor9293 (big blind) collected (320) few hands later...same like the previous one. So, i was thinking hardly...its kinda close. i think he is not absolute crazy, he showed me the bluff earlier, so maybe he wants some action now w his nuts?Or maybe he's a tricky one and let me think he can't do again with air but he can..!? i didnt used any scope, later i checked and he's a losing player w this info i would call now... maybe i need 2 stop watching more advanced high stakes vids :D Seat 1: denszi (1425 in chips)Seat 2: TThor9293 (1575 in chips)denszi: posts small blind 15TThor9293: posts big blind 30*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to denszi [Th Kh]denszi: raises 30 to 60TThor9293: calls 30*** FLOP *** [8h As Ts]TThor9293: checksdenszi: bets 60TThor9293: calls 60*** TURN *** [8h As Ts] [2h]TThor9293: checksdenszi: bets 120TThor9293: calls 120*** RIVER *** [8h As Ts 2h] [9s]TThor9293: bets 1335 and is all-indenszi: foldsUncalled bet (1335) returned to TThor9293TThor9293 collected 480 from potTThor9293: doesn't show hand*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 480 | Rake 0Board [8h As Ts 2h 9s]Seat 1: denszi (button) (small blind) folded on the RiverSeat 2: TThor9293 (big blind) collected (480) and now im in valuetown:Seat 1: denszi (2160 in chips)Seat 2: TThor9293 (840 in chips)TThor9293: posts small blind 20denszi: posts big blind 40*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to denszi [9c 8c]TThor9293: calls 20denszi: checks*** FLOP *** [7d Js 6h]denszi: checksTThor9293: checks*** TURN *** [7d Js 6h] [4d]denszi: checksTThor9293: bets 40denszi: calls 40*** RIVER *** [7d Js 6h 4d] [5d]denszi: checksTThor9293: bets 240denszi: calls 240*** SHOW DOWN ***TThor9293: shows [2d 6d] (a flush, Seven high)denszi: mucks handTThor9293 collected 640 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 640 | Rake 0Board [7d Js 6h 4d 5d]Seat 1: denszi (big blind) mucked [9c 8c]Seat 2: TThor9293 (button) (small blind) showed [2d 6d] and won (640) with a flush, Seven highbluff againSeat 1: denszi (1765 in chips)Seat 2: TThor9293 (1235 in chips)denszi: posts small blind 25TThor9293: posts big blind 50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to denszi [9c Kc]denszi: raises 50 to 100TThor9293: calls 50*** FLOP *** [3s 2c 6d]TThor9293: checksdenszi: checks*** TURN *** [3s 2c 6d] [Ad]TThor9293: bets 50denszi: raises 85 to 135TThor9293: raises 85 to 220denszi: foldsUncalled bet (85) returned to TThor9293TThor9293 collected 470 from potTThor9293: shows [Qh 8s] (high card Ace)*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 470 | Rake 0Board [3s 2c 6d Ad]Seat 1: denszi (button) (small blind) folded on the TurnSeat 2: TThor9293 (big blind) collected (470) the last hand.... just to see the end of the game...Seat 1: denszi (1480 in chips)Seat 2: TThor9293 (1520 in chips)TThor9293: posts small blind 25denszi: posts big blind 50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to denszi [4s 3h]TThor9293: calls 25denszi: checks*** FLOP *** [Qc 4c 3s]denszi: checksTThor9293: checks*** TURN *** [Qc 4c 3s] [5h]denszi: bets 100TThor9293: raises 100 to 200denszi: raises 1230 to 1430 and is all-inTThor9293: calls 1230*** RIVER *** [Qc 4c 3s 5h] [Qd]*** SHOW DOWN ***denszi: shows [4s 3h] (two pair, Queens and Fours)TThor9293: shows [Kd Kc] (two pair, Kings and Queens)TThor9293 collected 2960 from potdenszi finished the tournament in 2nd placeTThor9293 wins the tournament and receives $6.58 - congratulations!*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 2960 | Rake 0Board [Qc 4c 3s 5h Qd]Seat 1: denszi (big blind) showed [4s 3h] and lost with two pair, Queens and FoursSeat 2: TThor9293 (button) (small blind) showed [Kd Kc] and won (2960) with two pair, Kings and Queens Perhaps not the best examples... I always have some problems which hands to choose for analize. This is my first try so be forbear with me.Thx
When I notice an opponent plays crazy I immedietly stop trying to run huge bluffs, trying to win flop re-reraise wars etc. and just tighten up all my ranges. This works extremely well because your opponent usually does not adjust and now is being aggressive into a stronger range and will hang himself.
thanks for your advices too - Sorry for the late reply but i didn't notice your comment -