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latilen's picture
BB range vs. 3bb raise from unknown

Hi, so here is my question. What would be the ideal starting range from the BB versus 3x raise vs. population tendencies? Let's say we are playing the 30$ turbos on Stars. Here is my suggestion, the flatting range is in yellow (about 22% of the range), anything above is a value 3bet range, balanced by the bluff 3bet range in the black squares. Together we play about 42% of your range from the BB. Mind that the 3bet range quickly changes when we get some information from our opponent, we can quickly shrink our bluff 3betr range and expand our value range vs. villains that are happy to call. Obv me can make a ton of adaptation when we see our opponent raising frequencies etc. but that is not the point here. I would like to make a guide for myself for the first 3-5 BB in the match. I think my calling range when starting the match is so week (undefined) that I need some work here. What do you think could be improved here? Could the flatting range be wider? Is the bluff 3bet range readless to wide?  

nekrogovner's picture
Do you really think that any

Do you really think that any minor or drastic adjustments of this range in the begining of the match will affect your winrate greatly?

latilen's picture
No I don't think this will

No I don't think this will make any improvments in my winrate...but if your starting range sucks, any adjustment you make from that to a specific opponent will probably suck as well.  I am calling K8s+ ...how wide would you call Kxs and Axs hands? And how wide Kxo and Axo hands?   

crstn's picture
do I read your chart right?

do I read your chart right? Are you folding K8s and such hands 75BB deep to 3x raises? If yes, then I think your flatting range should be much much wider. And I would start then take the low end of this flatting range to 3-bet if we have reads about our openent (I would rather 3-bet Q4s and muck T3o for example).  

crstn's picture
vs 3x raises i call all Axs

vs 3x raises i call all Axs and down to K7s, when steaming K6s as well :), but I also call T8o, K8o. Depending on opponent I also fold the weakest Axo hands, but readless at the start of a match i prolly call. Ah, and I also call Q7s.Vs minraises pre I basically call or 3-bet every Ks and Qs hand.But take what I said here with a grain of salt, as I am not saying this is THE range, it is just my range... btw: Personally I am not a big fan of your offsuit 3-betting range (as a bluff). I prefer some more connected hands like 87o, 86o, and also I think ATo is a nice hand to flat 3x raises, especially against opponents that fold to your 3-bets (to keep all their worse Ax hands in)  

sir_lanka's picture
My ROI is 9% over 3000 games,

My ROI is 9% over 3000 games, about 35 average stake.I flat much wider, all axo, k6o, 86o. I usually don´t 3betbluff the first few hands, I think players generally call too much. If I 3bet bluff its mostly with q5s and similar.Why do you fold j8o and 3betbluff j3o? It would be better IMO to move that box up two steps if you want to 3betbluff hands like those.(Im not saying that this is the right/best way to play)

FCDplayer's picture
sir_lanka - can you tell us

sir_lanka - can you tell us your nickname?

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sirlanka8 at PKR. I quit PKR

sirlanka8 at PKR. I quit PKR yesterday because the rake was increased and the stucture got faster, started playing at stars.

Barrin's picture
What is the idea behind your

What is the idea behind your selection of 3bet-bluffing-hands? And why would you fold 22 pre?

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